We Won't Pay the C*nt Tax

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:30
Submitted by Carlin Ross
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Women must be honored.

Feminist Myth.

Mon, 12/21/2015 - 11:19
Anonymous

Much respect to you, Betty and Carlin, but, you're espousing a feminist myth that's harder to kill than a vampire.

No reputable economist believes in the gender wage gap. And, factual feminist, Christina Hoff Sommers, has actually debunked it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w

The difference in pay is due to myriad factors; men and women work different hours, men and women go into different professions because, shockingly, men and women are different.

Should a feminist dance therapist make the same as a navel ship architect or an electrical engineer?

Best,
Vince

Myth?

Thu, 12/24/2015 - 07:27

Vince,
What exactly is mythical about the gender wage gap?

You give possible reasons for why the gender wage gap is real, "men and women work different hours, men and women go into different professions..." so you accept the reality of the basic premise that men and women are paid differently, with women inevitably earning less.

So are you just suggesting that the pay gap is valid? That the type of work men and women do is different and should therefore be paid differently? And furthermore, that it is entirely right and appropriate to value female work less than male work? Is it reasonable to see the relative status and wages paid to a profession such as teaching or general practitioners fall as women move into that profession just because women are worth less?

Do you really believe that women choose freely to enter into different professions from men, or to take part-time work rather than work full-time? Do you dismiss the cultural pushes and pulls that influence is all? If so how on earth do you explain the bias towards women in science and engineering in a place like S Korea versus America. Are the women just different over there? Parenthood seems to be a prerequisite for male leadership roles and a huge obstacle for women. How can that not be a gendered work issue?

Are you essentially suggesting that 52% of the population choose to be paid less than their brothers because... Well, to be honest I just can't come up with any possible explanation for that unless you believe women are just fundamentally deranged and want to be poor.

I want my daughters to have the opportunity to become a naval ship architect, an electrical engineer or whatever. Having qualified, I want them to be as employable as their male peers in those fields.

If they have children, I want them to be able to share parenting with their partners. I don't want the world to assume that suddenly they're unemployable or worth less. Neither do I want their partners to be denied the opportunity to spend time to be equal parents and partners. No one died wishing they'd spent more time at the office but plenty die lonely. Good childcare helps both men and women make better, more equal choices.

BTW Comparing professions for relative worth is a very easy way to show how seriously screwed up the world's value system can be. Investment banking pays considerably better than dance therapists, naval architects or electrical engineering yet I'm fairly sure most people would value it somewhat lower than the pay gap suggests

Yes, Myth.

Thu, 12/24/2015 - 16:59
Anonymous

NLH,

Yes, I'm seriously suggesting that the wage gap is valid. Call me 'old-fashioned,' as I am sure most will, but "equal pay for equal work" seems quite fair to me. Your own fellow countryman Milo Yiannopoulous debunked the gender gap, too!

You evaluate the value and pay of a profession based on risk-factor and likelihood of injury; something you're omitting in your argument. Are you suggesting that a dance therapist, for example, should make the same amount of money as someone that works on an oil rig? That seems preposterous to me.

Yet and still, there's nothing written in legislation that says a woman cannot work on an oil rig if she wants to make a fair amount of money. If a woman is disuaded to enter a certain field because of a "cultural influence," as you say, then how strong was her passion for that profession to begin with?

You can close the wage gap right now, NLH. Advise your daughters to become electrical engineers rather than getting a degree in gender or women's studies.

Best,
Vince

Naive

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:13

Vince,

I'm saying that your basic premise is without merit, naive rather than old fashioned.

The risk/reward profile of different professions is neither as systematic nor fair as you seem to believe. For example, a derivatives trader working out of NY or London gets paid considerably more than any of the professions that you have mentioned. It is not a physically demanding role. It's not an especially risky role, yet it is obviously paid considerably more than your examples of either an engineer or indeed a dance therapist.

If you asked a range of people how they valued different professions, very few would come with the current system of finanical reward. It's a nonsense to suggest otherwise.

Furthermore it seems clear through time and across cultures/countries that every time women enter into a profession in significant numbers, the salary drops. Nursing or teaching are fairly well-documented examples in the UK and US of the financial devaluation of professions as women enter into them in numbers.

Men are systematically valued more highly financially. Professions associated with men are paid more not because they're more difficult or worthwhile but because they're "male" As women join professions, the salary bonus paid for being in a man's job is taken away. The profession is devalued.

And all of this is aside from the fact that professions are not equally open to all people irrespective of gender or background. Cultural bias is apparent in the way different countries have different gender bias for the same professions and academic qualifications.It influences the choices we make before we decide preferences. As per my earlier post, it's why Korean women outnumber men on the maths and science courses and also why the opposite is true in the UK and US.

Yes, individual women can make different choices, especially privileged white middle class women like my daughters, but the systemic bias remains. Because of that bias, if 52% of the electrical engineers in America were women, the profession would lose status and be paid less.

The race is rigged.