you decide.... circumcised or uncircumcised?

Mon, 08/27/2007 - 13:13
Submitted by mssaigon73

here are two pictures.... One of an uncircumcised penis and one of a circumcised penis. You decided which one is more attractive.Personally for me ....I like them either way.But I like how uncircumcised men are more sensitive.

I did some casual research and was stunned by what I found

Sun, 02/26/2017 - 01:23
Anonymous

Hi
I was circumcised as an adult so know the before and after. I couldn't imagine why any adult male would choose circumcision. However, I discovered that many actually choose to be circumcised. What shocked me to the core was that it appeared be mainly driven by women! Couldn't believe it...
The reasons appeared to be three-fold.
1. Cleanliness and appearance with foreskin
2. Appearance of the circumcised penis
3. How do I put this? A number of women seemed happy that the circumcision effectively reduced the penis to a human dildo. The actual removal of ALL of the sensitive bits (for examply, the frenulum, my best friend) was the whole point!. The importance of THAT, it would appear, was to actively decrease the pleasure felt, in order for the guy to last longer.
Check for yourself. Look for "circumcision" and "tumblr". 
Mind boggling, at least to me
Interested to see any feedback

Circumcised or Intact?

Thu, 06/04/2015 - 18:57
Anonymous

I saw the word "uncircumcised" in the title of this blog.  It seems a little strange, a "made-up" word for the "created" and unnatural world of circumcisions.

It's like saying that somebody is "undecapitated" !  Well, you just wouldn't !..  Somebody with a foreskin is simply "natural" or  "intact".  Having a foreskin is the norm in over 90% of the world.  There is no medical reason to cicumcise, per the American Medical Association - so it's just a 'fashion item' or 'blood ritual' here in the US - designed for what, to appease too many American women's "dislike" of foreskins?  What if men said they disliked women's labias or clitoral hoods - would they get cut off too? 

Since America beleives strongly in the separation of church and state, I wonder why they allow so many circumcisions here by religious groups.  Cutting off body parts for religious reasons seems very extreme to me - and it is.  If I started a religion and said that my children's ear lobes or little toes had to be cut off and I did so, I would probably be jailed.  Yet cutting of parts of the sexual organ get the green light every time!  Only men's sexual organs that is - try cutting off a girl childs prepuce (clitoral hood - equivalent ot the foreskin) - you would get jailed for that too!

It's a backwards quirk that male circumcision is so prevalent in the US, meaning US people think it's "normal", when statistically it truly is not.  The cutting - typically without anasthetic - also really traumatizes the infant - who is strapped down for the process, damages the sensitivity of the penis and reduces a woman's pleasure during intercourse by the foreskin being missing. 

Many countries have either banned male circumcision or it is in the very low % range (2-4%), like Austrlaia and Norway.  Let's stop doing in the US too - except for pressing and real medical reasons, and let those little boys grow up with natural and intact penises!

Circumsized any day

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 04:25
Anonymous

I hate the look of an uncircumsized penis.  It looks like a pig in a blanket.

No Insults, Please

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:38
BorderReiver (not verified)

Pig in a blanket, eh? 
You are probably American born and raised, and therefore don't know any better than to insult with middle-school lunchroom-esque absence of class and or couth; that which you are unfamiliar with and don't understand.
You have insulted every intact man with that statement, and  you have also insulted me and every man who has had his foreskin stolen, and is restoring.  Educate yourself about the function and purpose of the foreskin.
In the future, (and this is part of your continuing education), accept or reject as your tastes dictate, but please keep your insulting remarks inside your own head.
Tim in Idaho
 

circumcised@age 23

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 02:39
Anonymous

im 23 yrs old. i have many bad vericose veins all over from the waist down. i had them in my foreskin too. i had it removed, the gels weren't helping. the erogenous zone is much smaller now, perhaps 1/3 the size. at first i felt about 1/3 the sensitivity, now about 8 weeks after the surgery it seems my brain has adapted to the new zone perameters and now it feels alot closer to being natural. it relieved my vein problem, but definately changed things. id be pissed if someone else made that call for me, if that makes sense!?

I don't know where you heard

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 14:10
Jake E

I don't know where you heard that but it's absolutely not true. I've had a preputioplasty to relieve a tight foreskin instead of circumcision. I had to desensitise my glands so I could face pulling back the skin and cleaning it. Before my op it was a little like touching my eyeball. 

It's a moot point to discuss

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 04:10
Anonymous

It's a moot point to discuss the foreskin from an aestetic perspective. The only reason so many find it more attractive is because so many have it removed. And if nobody did, noone would think of it. It protecs the glans, the urethra and shouldn't be removed. 

Recently, there was a discussion on the effects and origin of circumcision on D&R, you can just type in circumcision in the search bar.

And I've actually heard the opposite - circumcised men are less sensitive.

Natural, but I suppose I

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:22
Lady Grinning Soul

Natural, but I suppose I can't really make a comparison because I've never seen a circumcised penis in real life. I'm English and thankfully it's not really something that happens here (or indeed the rest of Europe, I should imagine).
I had no idea how prevalent it was in America until I started following this site a few years ago, and I'm having a little trouble getting my head around it. I mean...cutting away part of your baby/child's anatomy? Really? Fine, if it's for a necessary medical reason, but the cleanliness reason doesn't cut it (excuse the pun!) really; I'm sure it's no mammoth task to clean under the foreskin.
I should point out that I don't find circumcised penises aesthetically displeasing (although I can only comment on pictures I've seen - like I said I've not encountered a circumcised penis in real life), it's just the act of circumcision - and the fact that it's seen as the norm in a very developed country in the 21st century - I find rather disturbing.
That's just my two pennies' worth. Male and female genitalia are unique and beautiful, I hope everyone can love what it is they have.

Re circumcision

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 21:21
Anonymous

There is no real need for circumcision nowadays. The only time that this should take place is when there is a proven case of phimosis and all other treatments have been tried.
I'm pleased to read that you can reason for yourself that routine circumcision is not right. I'm very glad that my parents have left me intact. It was not untill I was about 4 years old that I first was able to expose some of the glans. I was born with undescended testicles but the left came down before I was one year old. The right did not descend untill I was about 12-13. At the time I used to live in the Netherlands. Twice a year we were seen by a doctor who came to the schools in the area. During one of these visits I overheard the female doctor telling my mom that there only seemed to be one testicle. I overheard it as being referred to being one ball only. Being about six at the time, I was under the impression that besides te glans being exposed while the foreskin was retracted I thought that there would be another ball exposed. Based upon this reasoning, I forced the foreskin back very agrasively and ended up tearing the remainder of the unexposed glans away from the foreskin. There was a lot of pain and a fair amount of blood involved. I thought that I had done something that I was not supposed to have done. To make things worse, I had done this while going to the bathroom at school. From that day on I did not retract the foreskin for several months. I was afraid that if I did, my glans would fall off.
I feel that parents should inform their children about their bodies as early as possible. My wife and I have raised two sons who we decided to leave intact. My wife being Canadian born had not really seen an uncircumcised penis, before she saw mine. When my mother in law brought up the discussion of having our first son circumcised, my wife explained that there was no need to do so. As a result both boys are intact. The only way to be if there is no medical condition of phimosis.

uncut penis

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 01:06
Anonymous

i also have an uncut penis.
since i was young i have always been jealous of the circumcised penis.
it is suc a norm in this country. i felt like something was wrong with me.
whenever a girl would preform oral sex on me i would worry that the foreskin
would go over my penis head and she would think i was weird. i am very
self concious about my penis and never let anyone see it with the skin over my head.
people need to know how concious people are of their body parts. especially something
as crucial as a sex organ. words hurt. and comparing a human penis to a penis of an animal that has fur is so horribly
wrong.

Uncut and sorry for it....

Fri, 11/28/2014 - 04:50
Anonymous

 When I was 12 I decided to get circumcised, my dad wasn't around to help me with the desicion...my mother brought an encyclopedia home and it said it was better.  All my friends were cut and I felt like the minority...I even gave up one of my first sexual experiences with a gal cause I thought she wouldn't like the looks of mine...dumb as I was I knew I was getting the operation done had mentioned I'd be back the following week lol not realizing the "RECOVERY" yeah...no internet back then and until till three weeks ago I thought majority of the world these days was cut...until I started reading and now I wish I had never made the choice....wrote to some people recently about what can be done now days...the mentioned to me that the doctor should have told me to wait unitl age 18 I wish I had. :(...85% of most men in the US are Cut...85% of Men in the World are Intact...highest rate of std's are in the states, I remember being uncut and it didn't take that long to clean, people make sound like its hour long maintence lol...also heard doctor make big bucks off circumcison...high digits world wide well...US anyway...

No worries, women LOVE intact men ..

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 11:22
LuvinGermany

I am  American born woman and I have to say, you should never be jealous over a circumcised penis. The majority of my serious relationships have been with uncircumcised men. I personally see a penis that has been circumcised as a penis that has been mutilated.
Name 1 man in history who was born circumcised? God made the penis with skin covering the glands to protect it. people back in the day only did circumcisions for religious reasons and more importantly because they did not have hot and cold running water and the ability to wash there genitials as should be. How far the world has come ! :)  Now as from a woman's point of view,  from the very first time that I was with a man, he was intact. I have been fortunate enough to date  men who originated from Europe, where foreskin is not an issue. It just is.
Now in my life,I have seen a couple circumcised penis in person and I have to say, I do not like them. I find them unattractive. Have no worries, you will find a woman who truly loves your penis as is.. She will love the way it looks, she will love the way it feels...Foreskin is awesome.
I know a lot of American people make terrible wise cracks and say mean things. This is only because they know nothing about it personally and want to fit in with everyone else.They hear all kinds of stories: that it smalls bad, looks like and ant eater, looks like a turtleneck sweater, it spreads HIV quicker, and so on.. This stuf is just society's ignorance. Do not let that bother you.
I am in my early 40's now,married for 4 years, with a 19 year old son and no, my son is not circumcised and either is my husband. I can tell you that what I am saying to you probably does not make you feel better, but know that you are not alone. My son recently asked me why I chose to leave him intact, and I said because it is suppose to be that way. I said if he did not like his penis intact he could get it circumcised himself, he told me no.   However, my husband is like you, he is ashamed of his foreskin. Even around me. He hides it. He insists that he is circumcised and "It only looks that way when my penis is soft, when it is erect it looks different", he says. He will not let me see him nude unless he pushes his foreskin back. I have said to him, why do you do that? You know I love it when it is down..He gets upset and says "Because it is my penis". So many times I have told him that it is suppose to be that way. My husband actually will fight with me over it. I have told him, he should be proud of his body.That just because he pushes the skin back it does not make him a circumcised man.
Like you, he was one of the guys who were scarred by people being mean.  So please understand you are beautiful the way you are and that is how you were created to be. Btw,  I live in Europe now where foreskin is the norm and it is truly beautiful! I only wish my husband would love it too.I can tell you as a woman who loves her man intact and whom is unhappily married to a man who rejects his foreskin, it causes trouble in the relationship.. Give your penis a chance to be loved   the way it should be. :)
Also, as  long as you have good hygiene, oral sex is not a problem. Quite awesome actually.. Keep smiling and have a great day~~ 

No worries, women LOVE intact men ..

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 11:03
Anonymous

I am  American born women and I have to say, you should never be jealous over a circumcised penis. The majority of my serious relationships have been with uncircumcised men. I personally see a penis that has been circumcised as a penis that has been mutilated.
Name 1 man in history who was born circumcised? God made the penis with skin covering the glands to protect it. people back in the day only did circumcisions for religious reasons and more importantly because they did not have hot and cold running water and the ability to wash there genitials as should be. How far the world has come ! :)  Now as from a woman's point of view,  from the very first time that I was with a man, he was intact. I have been fortunate enough to date  men who originated from Europe, where foreskin is not an issue. It just is.
Now in my life,I have seen a couple circumcised penis in person and I have to say, I do not like them. I find them unattractive. Have no worries, you will find a woman who truly loves your penis as is.. She will love the way it looks, she will love the way it feels...Foreskin is awesome.
I know a lot of American people make terrible wise cracks and say mean things. This is only because they know nothing about it personally and want to fit in with everyone else.They hear all kinds of stories: that it smalls bad, looks like and ant eater, looks like a turtleneck sweater, it spreads HIV quicker, and so on.. This stuf is just society's ignorance. Do not let that bother you.
I am in my early 40's now,married for 4 years, with a 19 year old son and no, my son is not circumcised and either is my husband. I can tell you that what I am saying to you probably does not make you feel better, but know that you are not alone. My son recently asked me why I chose to leave him intact, and I said because it is suppose to be that way. I said if he did not like his penis intact he could get it circumcised himself, he told me no.   However, my husband is like you, he is ashamed of his foreskin. Even around me. He hides it. He insists that he is circumcised and "It only looks that way when my penis is soft, when it is erect it looks different", he says. He will not let me see him nude unless he pushes his foreskin back. I have said to him, why do you do that? You know I love it when it is down..He gets upset and says "Because it is my penis". So many times I have told him that it is suppose to be that way. My husband actually will fight with me over it. I have told him, he should be proud of his body.That just because he pushes the skin back it does not make him a circumcised man.
Like you, he was one of the guys who were scarred by people being mean.  So please understand you are beautiful the way you are and that is how you were created to be. Btw,  I live in Europe now where foreskin is the norm and it is truly beautiful! I only wish my husband would love it too.I can tell you as a woman who loves her man intact and whom is unhappily married to a man who rejects his foreskin, it causes trouble in the relationship.. Give your penis a chance to be loved   the way it should be. :)
Also, as  long as you have good hygiene, oral sex is not a problem. Quite awesome actually.. Keep smiling and have a great day~~ :)

Need Another Pic for the Intact (uncut) Penis Up There

Tue, 01/04/2011 - 05:31
Anonymous

I think people would be in a better position to evaluate/compare the circumcised vs intact (uncut) penis pictures if you also included a pic of the intact penis with the skin retracted. After all, most intact guys can retract their foreskin and so they have more than one appearance, as opposed to the circumcised penis.

in my opinon with

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 09:10
aewfawfeffwea (not verified)

in my opinon with circumcised cock you feel better with your glans .. i like rubbing my glans with my hand without any foreskin

Re circumcised

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 20:47
Anonymous

From your statment I would assume that you have been circumcised later in life for you to make a comparison between the sensation of your hand touching the glans directly without the foreskin being in the way.
I myself am perfectly happy with my uncircumcised status. I love the fact that I can enjoy my foreskin during sexual play. Lately my wife and I have not been able to do this due to the fact that I have had a catheter in for the last 3 years due to a urological problem.
Even with this problem I'm glad that I do have my foreskin. I have had some chaving from the catheter being in contact with the catheter. I can just immagine how badly irritated the meatus of the glans would be had I been circumcised. I feel that the foreskin protects the urinary meatus and glans.
I also have enjoyed playing with my foreskin as a child and during my teenage years. Getting circumcised now, I would know that I miss my foreskin very much and that I will regret the decission if I was to proceed with this procedure. I refuse to call it surgery since a surgery is performed to enhance life and not to alter it.
Uncircumcised and happy.
 
Ron

@Aewfawfeffwea -The foreskin retracts.

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Tue, 09/14/2010 - 07:07
Joelface

@Awefawfeffwea, Are you aware that it is just as easy to stimulate the glans of a penis that still has an intact foreskin?

The foreskin moves back and forth, which serves many positive features. One of those features is that it is very easy to reveal the glans. Someone who enjoys the sensation of a hand rubbing directly on the glans can surely enjoy that sensation, without requiring their foreskin be cut off first.

The foreskin does provide a sensual, pleasurable way to stimulate the glans, though, for those who prefer to incorporate the foreskin into the play... which I would assume is the case of most men who currently still have a functional foreskin.

I'm not saying you shouldn't appreciate the sensations that you currently enjoy, aewfawfeffwea, but your suggestion that having part of the penis removed makes it feel better in some way is logic that I don't follow. As far as I can tell, removing the foreskin simply takes away the option to stimulate yourself in other ways, ways that DO incorporate the foreskin.

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24 - M - Critical Relativist and Feminist (Equalist) - Canada

Ironic

Mon, 09/06/2010 - 00:14
fennelseed (not verified)

So, we are finally realizing that cutting men's foreskins off is quite barbaric (and yes, some of us gals have had to adjust...especially those who attract younger men) while now women are voluntarily snipping their bits in some ideal of beauty (labiaplasty). The huge, huge majority of men I "meet" respond vocally with enthusiasm when they see me below...maybe some guys are buying into the porno "small lip" hype, but I've had the opposite reaction. I didn't understand, until I found out so many women were being altered and images were being altered. Men for the most part just sort of go crazy for the "real thing"...I wouldn't dream of cutting. My flower will stay intact... those who can't deal aren't worth my time, and those who respond with such enthusiasm reward me for staying "intact".

I am uncut myself,I never

Tue, 09/07/2010 - 07:22
alabama89

I am uncut myself,I never felt self concsious about it  I guess I thought being uncut was the norm.An ex-GF of mine who was also a RN was surprised when she realized i was uncut.When I became a nudist I noticed i was usually about the only guy around who was uncut.

Uncut

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 01:30
Anonymous

Hi, it depands on where you are at in the world. I grew up in the Netherlands and spent a lot of vaction time in Scandinavia and Germany. Circumcised guys were rare over there.
Being uncut myself, I'm glad that my parents left me intact. The idea of cutting off the skin of the penis sounds like a butcher job to me. My younger brother was cut since he had problems with phimosis. To me he somewhat looked handicapped in that area. I remember vacation times where there was nude recreation in Scandinavia. All of the other guys over there that I have seen were all uncut. Besides my brother and a friend of mine of Jewish descend were the only 2 that I have seen that were cut.
When I moved to Canada in 1981, I was one of the only guys in school who was uncut. I only had one friend 2 years younger than I who was uncut.
I believe that God created us with a foreskin and had a purpose for it. Jewish circumcision are not the same as most of the surgical procedures done in Canada and the US. in a Jewish circumcision only part of the foreskin is removed.  In the new testament Paul speaks about circumcision of the flesh and the heart. If a men is circumcised but does not hold himself acountable for his action in relationship with God, is he not like the uncircumcised gentile. If you believe and hold your self accountable to God's law, he than is circumcised of the heart. Therefore the uncircumcised gentile is the same as the circumcised Jew who abides with the law of God.
Circumcision nowadays is an unneeded surgery that serves no purpose.

RE: post 68

Sun, 07/18/2010 - 22:54
corvusmachina

I see a lot of myself in this response, so I feel the need to make my own post here.

I'm also young and extremely insecure about a lot of things. I'm not sexually experienced, either. But if I found somebody I felt comfortable with and decided to share my body with them, and immediately they said, "OH MY GOD, YOUR (insert body part[s] here) IS/ARE SO GROSS!!!" I would be hurt beyond words. I already have a lot of problems with the way I look as it is and I pretty much expect other people to find me unattractive whether they actually do or not, so I don't need anyone confirming that I have a ridiculous amount of stretch marks, or that I'm hairy (I don't shave my bikini area because my skin is crazy-sensitive), or that my skin conditions look contagious (Eczema ISN'T, by the way. Thanks, stupid friends.), or that my nipples are kind of big.

Because I haven't come into contact with any penises in real life, I can't say I'd have a preference either way. But even if the day came that I could form an informed opinion, I don't think I could get to the point where I would think one was just awesome and the other would make me throw up if I ever saw it. I looked at the pictures included on the first page, and, honestly, neither one looks more or less attractive to me.

I know that here in the U.S. we're conditioned to think that circumcised is the way to go, but that's only because someone thought to say it's more hygenic without any real evidence to back that up. Everybody must've just thought, "Well, he's a doctor, he must know these things." But after watching about ten seconds of a video- I had to turn it off, I burst into tears as soon as that kid started crying- I vowed never to do that to a child of mine. Not for any reason, I don't care if the father is Jewish, fuck that, it's not right.

To whoever it was that compared an intact penis to a dog's dick- What a horrible comparison. How would it make you feel if someone said something like that about you? I've had just about every insult in the book thrown at me, so I'm desensitized to most of it, but if somebody compared a part of my body to that of an animal in such a negative way... I'd lose it.

Re Post 68

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 16:18
Anonymous

Hi,
 
As i have stated I came to Canada in 1981 after having grown up in the Netherlands for the first 17 years. While I had been used to most males in the Netherlands not being circumcised, it was a change being one of the only uncircumcised guys in the Canadian town of Grande Cache, Alberta that we moved to.
I sort of had to chuckle to your referrence of someone referring to un uncircumcised penis as a dog dick. I have heared numerous referrences, however only a few come to my mind; Ant eater, Skin Bob and as you quoted dog dick. I realized that this referrence was used out of ignorance.
One of the things that they should realize is that male animals also enjoy not being circumcised and that the circumcised crowd has just been brainwashed into believing that their penis handicap is normal.
After my wife and I became serious in our relationship towards the end of our engagement, I brought up the subject that I was uncircumcised and asked her if she'd preferred to have me circumcised. To my great relief she said no. Also when we had two boys, one our oldest and the other being adopted, we chose not to have our sons circumcised. There was enough questioning from my mother in law and some of my wife's relatives. I never had to speak up since my wife explained to them that circumcision was an unneeded and harmful procedure. She would also never refer to it as a surgical procedure. Most doctors in the US and Canada break their oath, (First do no harm). When my mother in law spoke to me about having our first son circumcised, I responded by saying that I was not circumcised and was peeing just fine. The subject was never brought up again.
I feel sorry for males who were circumcised at birth, most have been brainwashed into the idea that circumcision is a normal required procedure. Not having known the difference how can they know. On the other hand, myself still being uncircumcised, how can I know what being circumcised is like. The answer is I don't, however I would miss the great enjoyment that my foreskin provides me with. I also know of the experience of my younger brother, as well as my youngest nephew. Both boys were very unhappy shortly after their circumcisions. Both boys were circumcised as the result of so called phymosis. Both boys were about 6 at the time. We know that in some males the foreskin does not separated from the glans untill they reach their teen years. The so called philosophy that the medical community uses is that it is much easier on a young boy to go through this procedure when they are younger. Supposedly it is much harder on a teenage male. This is complete nonsence. It is much easier to explain a medical procedure to an older child. Leaving the procedure till the teenage years also gives the owner of the penis an imput into altering the penis. We can explain the different health reasons as to why circumcision should take place.
In the case of a young boy, most will not fully understand why circumcision has to take place. All of them go in with some fear knowing that their body will be altered. Most of them can not comprehend why this has to happen. Most will reason that their penis is used for urination and that it works fine as far as they know. A teenage male can be informed of the different reasons as to why the glans has to be exposed. Being it for reasons of hygiene and sexual purpose.
When it comes to sircumcision there still is a lot of ignorance. I thank God and my parents that I was left intact.

Uncircumcised penises are at

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 21:59
Anonymous1111 (not verified)

Uncircumcised penises are at much greater risk at getting STIs than circumcised. Also cervical cancer may be the cause from having sex with an uncut penis. An uncut penis is a turn off for me, my ex was uncut and I didn't find is penis attractive though it was at a reasonable size but I didn't like touching it and he asked me to suck it and I said I didn't like sucking cock when I actually enjoy it but I don't suck uncut guys off because I find it disgusting, epically his because his foreskin was too tight and wouldn't roll back from his head and I really hate that look. The guy I am with now is heaps of years older than me and I enjoy the sex and giving him blow jobs and hand jobs so much that I find it addicting he is cut and his cock is so nice I just love it. If he wasn't cut I probably wouldn't be giving hand jobs and blow jobs and our sex life would suffer.

Wow you clearly don't know

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 13:22
Anonymous

Wow you clearly don't know what you are talking about. If you do some unbiased research you'll find that std's are no more contractable either way. Also, you clearly are prejudice against uncircumcised penises and are fixated that there is something wrong with the natural physiology of a man. Perhaps you think circumcised is normal because that is what you society has taught you. That doesn't mean that circumcised is better.

Actually despite the claims

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 18:05
Anonymous

Actually despite the claims there is only a <1% chance of someone being uncircumcised being able to contact an std compared to someone who is.

The Intactivism Pages

Sat, 04/24/2010 - 16:19
Hugh7 (not verified)

This column addresses all three of the missions of the Intactivism Pages (http://www.circumstitions.com): to end non-consensual, non-therapeutic genital cutting; to show US women that there's nothing the matter with intactness; and to make intact guys (like dtweaponx) feel better about themselves.

Those who say there is no difference between intact and circumcised when erect need to see the comparison page, http://www.circumstitions.com/comparison.html.

Joelface is right about newbiehere. Babies should have the best part of their genitals cut off because she doesn't understand how it works intact?? And it's not just "more sensitive", it's "better sensitive". More nerves means more feedback and hence more control, conferring "a symphony of sensation".

Uncircumsized

Sat, 04/24/2010 - 07:47
help (not verified)

Joelface, thank you for responding to my question. If my mans penis looked like the one in the first picture there would be no problem with getting sexually aroused but his is half the length at best and is fully covered with the opening off to the side?

RE: Advice for "Help"

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Sat, 04/24/2010 - 08:11
Joelface

well, I don't know exactly what you mean about the opening being off
to the side, but there is nothing wrong with a penis that has a foreskin
that covers the head of the penis even when hard. I don't know if he is
retractable or not, but if so, you can always pull the skin back to see
the head if you wish.

As for the length of his penis, that is an
entirely unrelated issue.

I think at some point though, you just
have to realize that its a part of his body, and either you accept that
body as a whole or you don't.

If a guy was dating you and felt the
aesthetics of your vulva were unappealing to him... how would you feel?
What would you want a man in that position to say? Maybe you can let
your instincts guide you in that way.

Remember, the foreskin is a
healthy, normal and sensitive body part.. just like your labia and
clitoral hood. Unless you would want those parts cut off of you, maybe
you should reconsider whether you think that should be cut off of a
male.

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Joelface, thanks again for

Sun, 04/25/2010 - 03:02
help (not verified)

Joelface, thanks again for taking the time to respond. I am just not happy with the length.

Re:Re: advice for "Help"

Joelface's picture
Sun, 04/25/2010 - 17:50
Joelface

@help,

All I can say is to take pride in it the way Dodson and Ross promote labia-pride. A lot of men are unhappy with the length of their penis, or about the coloration, or the curvature. Men, or women, we've all got parts of us that make us insecure. I assume that is partly your issue. Well.. be proud! Having a longer foreskin DEFINITELY has advantages.

If it is solely about the fact you feel you aren't able to adequately receive pleasure when your partner is aroused and lubricated... it may be partly that your partner has a larger vagina and you have a thinner penis as well. Usually the foreskin still moves back and forth during sex, regardless of the length. This would also explain why it doesn't feel that pleasurable for you.

One idea might be to talk to her about kegel exercises (strengthening the PC muscles). These are the sex muscles. You could tell her that you want to both do them together. They will improve your stamina, your erection strength and your orgasm. They will improve her orgasm, her tightness, etc.  If you both work on them, that could be a fun way to improve the situation... she could even try doing them during sex... which would essentially "grip" your penis... which would almost certainly pull back your foreskin if you were thrusting inwards as she did it. Try it! :)

A plus side is that if you do kegels you'll also be less likely to suffer from incontinence as you age. :)

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Penis Size

Tue, 04/27/2010 - 13:38
help (not verified)

I am used to a bigger penis (girth and length) this one bores me. Thus he doesn't turn me on and I am left making excuses to postpone sex or just get it over with. Neither sounds like a lasting relationship. Can a relationship last with boring sex?

I´m uncut and I don´t

Fri, 04/23/2010 - 15:47
Sincere (not verified)

I´m uncut and I don´t mind.. my opening is 1cm.. which is pretty uncommon though. Can´t get it bigger. Should I ?

Advice for user "Sincere"

Joelface's picture
Sat, 04/24/2010 - 02:53
Joelface

@Sincere

It really depends on your age.. If you're 18 or under, that is probably alright. It will likely begin to stretch more on its own.  If youre around 18 or older, I would definitely recommend you begin stretching it. Especially if it is too tight to retract when not-erect.

The foreskin is built to "become" retractable, so its nothing too uncommon. At birth the foreskin is not retractable, it is still attached to the head of the penis (the same way fingernails are attached to your fingers).

To stretch it, what you want to do is begin spending a few minutes each day pulling the foreskin back as far as it will comfortably go. In the shower is a good time to practice this. You could also do it after each time you pee, or when you're masturbating.

Don't pull it back too hard, or you may make things worse. Be patient.

you should notice improvement in a week or two, and be completely retractable within a few months tops. If progress is going slow, you could talk to your doctor about acquiring a steroid cream, called 0.05% betamethasone. You simply apply that directly before doing the stretching technique. That will help speed things up.. but you really don't need it in most cases..

It could be that you have some scarring if your family members were taught to pull back your foreskin forcibly in infancy before the foreskin was ready... that could be problematic, but the only way to know if that is the case would be to talk to your doctor. Chances are it will probably be fine, and it would be worth trying to GENTLY stretch the opening.

Unless you have pain or infection or a problem of some kind, you don't NEED to be retractable. I think it is ideal, though.

Hope that helps. :)

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foreskin retraction

Wed, 01/05/2011 - 01:50
Anonymous

I can only speak from memories of my parents teaching my brothers how to clean themselves... but I distinctly remember both brothers being taught how to retract his foreskin to clean underneath it, well before puberty.

So it seems to me that it's stretchy, even if it remains attached to the glans? Could it become free of the glans earlier than puberty?

Anyway, sexually, I prefer a man with a foreskin; it adds a lot to foreplay & sex, and it's fun to play with, and the glans is far more sensitive.

Uncircumsized penis

Thu, 04/22/2010 - 12:14
help (not verified)

My main squeeze is middle aged. He is uncircumsized and his penis does not look like the one in the picture.
This is my first encounter with someone who hasn't been cut and I don't like it. I think it cuts down on the stuff I used to do with a cut man. It has a terrible odor that has turned a sex goddess into someone who just goes thru the motions. Help, what's going on. It looks like half of it is missing?

Uncircumsized

Fri, 04/23/2010 - 15:05
help (not verified)

my main squeeze is uncircumsized, and he is the first man I have encountered that way.
I find it limiting to what this sexual goddess likes to do compared to my favorite the circumsized male.
Also it doesn't look like the one is the picture. It looks like half of it is missing? Also the fowl odor is killing all my sexual feeling. Not a pretty sight. Help.

Uncircumcised

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 21:41
Anonymous

One thing that I can only stress to ther circumcised men is to ensure that good overall personal hygiene should be practiced.
It only takes a few seconds to ensure that the penis is cleaned well so it will not require a huge amount of extra care. It can be done in under 30 seconds. No soap or deoderant is required and the use of these products can result into irritation and infections.
To make sex more enjoyable for both parties, it is best for both to shower or bath before engaging into sexual activity.
For those of you women who complain about the so called smells, I would have to ask if you take consideration of how you smell down below before you are frshly showered. I as a male do not suggest that you get your flaps cut or reduced since dirt or secretions can acumilate between the creases. This would be non sense. It would also be non sense since the vagina itself is partially an internal organ. Both being freshly showered ensures that these type of smells are not present. In biblical times men were not supposed to have intercourse with a woman who was having a period. She would have to cleanse herself after a period so that she could resume sexual relations.
I myslef having grown up in the Netherlands and having parents who do not believe in circumcision, I was left intact. My younger brother was not so lucky. Not being able to retract his foreskin at the age of six, he was circumcised at the advice of the family doctor.
Moving to Canada in 1981, I was one of the only students in my class who was uncircumcised. One thing that my parents had tought me very well was to clean my penis daily. This still meant taking a few seconds before bed time to clean my penis, even if I did not shower that night. It was no different than brushing my teeth or taking my contact lenses out at night. It has become a habit as it should be. I only knew of one school mate who was two grades behind me who was uncircumcised as well. Both he and I were called names like ant eater or dog dicks. I realized right away that this was done out of ignorance. Little did they seem to realize that this Dog dick thing was total nonsense, all male animals are uncircumcised and have a sheet in which the penis retracts. I also wondered about the sexuality of the other males. I had several occasions where classmates would touch my penis or some how brush up against me to sort of make fun of me. They did simmilar things to my school mate Jimmy. While in the Netherlands I only knew of my brother and a jewish class mate being uncircumcised. Yet most of us accepted this, of course there were the odd ones who referred to this student as Jew dick. I had thought that the Dutch would have learned from the war. Obviously some prefer to remain ignorant. For most of my class mates and myself this student was just another class mate or friend. It did not depend on the status of his penis. Even though I have mentioned the odd person in the Netherlands making fun of uncircumcised males, I found the oposite more so here in Canada. It is allmost that the majority of people here both male and female seem to be under the impression that not being circumcised is some sort of an offense. All I can say is get educated and don't remain ignorant.
I'm happy to be uncircumcised and now one can convince me to get circumwacked. I'm glad that I married a Canadian born wife, who accepted me and my penis as I was, she has never complained about it.
I feel sorry for people like you. If you have any compalints about the smell of your partners penis, than tell him. Once showered there no longer should be a problems with smells. On the other hand consider the smells that you might permiate.
 
Ron

Advice for user "Help"

Joelface's picture
Sat, 04/24/2010 - 02:43
Joelface

@Help

Having a foreskin does not reduce the number of sexual
activities or techniques you can use..  actually the reverse. If it
feels different, maybe tell him that you're new to the change and that
any advice he has would be helpful. Try to keep an open mind. After all,
this is how man naturally evolved (or was created, depending on your
beliefs). The foreskin contains thousands of nerve endings, and its
mobility does have sexual function that benefits not just him, but you
as well..

It is only the circumcised penis that is
missing parts. If his foreskin still covers the head of the penis, rest
assured, the head is still there.. and still feels your stimulation. You
could ask him if it pulls back, if you're not sure.

I don't mean to offend, but you're not really a sexual goddess if you
can't work with the natural human form. Try to expand your boundaries
and you'll be more likely to acquire that title. :)

If there is a smell, that is a hygiene issue, not a foreskin issue. If a
man finds a woman with a smelly vulva, is it her having labia and a
clitoral hood that cause the odor? Or is it that she isn't washing
properly. If he's washing adequately and still has a smell, that may be
an indication that he has an infection. Make it clear to him that
bathing before sex is important to you - and make sure you're keeping
yourself just as clean, or he may have similar advice for you. You could
always lead him into the shower and make sure its clean before you
please him orally... he might just get the message if you don't have the
confidence to talk about washing with him.

Good luck! As for your opinion that it is not a "pretty sight"... well, my only
advice is to get over it, because men say the same thing about the
natural look of the female genitals in places that routinely
genitally-cut little girls. But, we both know that isn't REALLY true..
the natural female genitals are beautiful, if you give them a chance. :)

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Uncircumcised

Tue, 04/20/2010 - 15:30
Tim S (not verified)

I'm a 23 year old male with an uncircumcised penis, mainly because my parents aren't Jewish and they say it more as a religious thing than a hygiene thing, and both me and my brother were taught to keep it clean on a regular basis.

As far as preference goes, it's down to personal opinion; labia size doesn't occur to me in the slightest, though I prefer breasts medium to small. I'll happily settle for large, but they are an easily noticeable thing and would factor into the equation of physical attractiveness. Some people hate love handles, I love them. I am of semi-athletic build but i'm not a gym nut so I have some of my own, and they provide something to hold onto and/or snuggle up to during the tender moments. All preference.

I don't mind the physical appearance at all, the foreskin sits over the glans when erect and only slides back if I pull the skin or during sex (in which case I only feel it and don't stop to look), as far as pleasure for HER goes, I don't know how different it is - if i'm finished i'll invest time and care making sure it was a mutually enjoyable experience, so circumcision wouldn't really make a difference to my performance aspect. I clean inside and around the foreskin every time I shower and/or have a sexual.. "encounter" too; there can be a noticeable smell if it's not clean properly, obvious in the shower rooms on select greasy individuals (Bless 'em!) or when you're at a heavy metal festival and don't have proper cleaning facilities...!

Ultimately I don't think it really matters if you're circumcised or not as long as you can use it properly (or ask for pointers when it comes time to use it), and you find a partner who sees you for who you are, not your genitals.

woah

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 01:49
nsd

What I've learned over the years is that when I have a strong negative reaction to something, as some people do here to uncut penises, there's something more going on in me, and I'd do better to examine this privately than open my mouth (or here, keyboard) in public. As for my own preference, the silky feel of foreskin is nice, but either way is fine so long as the person it comes with is nice.

For that bitch on post

Thu, 02/04/2010 - 00:14
Anonymous (not verified)

For that bitch on post 56

"It is WAY too complicated and too many places for extra bacteria and gunk to hang out."

Don't you have a vagina?????? Don't you think that being uncircumsized you would make sure when your showering to take the extra time to clean your penis thoroughly? The vagina has WAY more folds and places for "gunk and bacteria to hide". I have been with many many women and I don't tell any of them that I am uncircumsized. Thats absolutely rediculous.

I like both!

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 17:59
laurakate

I've been with several men both circumsized and uncircumsized. I noticed that the uncircumsized guys tend to shoot their loads quite a bit farther than circumsized guys. This I really like! Not sure if this is a sensitivity thing or not. Like someone said in an earlier post, as long as it's hard!

I must say when I first

Tue, 12/08/2009 - 17:21
mssaigon73

I must say when I first posted this thread, I wasn't quiet sure of who or what type of responses I would get. I would have never expected this type of  debating. The penis is beautiful no matter if it is cut or uncut. For me it all comes down to hygeine. Men ans women alike need to keep their genitals clean....unless their partner like a funky odor. But thats a whole other topic which I'll leave to our fetish pros. Thank you all for you input. Smile

Well behaved women,rarely make history.

uncut

Mon, 12/07/2009 - 16:51
Seriousblack (not verified)

Newbiehere clearly needs some serious sex-ed by a trained professional (no not me).

The women that I have been with have never complained about my cock's appearance flaccid or full. Most have found it interesting watching the skin being retracted from around the head. The key I think, is having a clean cock. Before stuffing you sweaty stinking member in someone's face take some time to wash. I expect the same of my lovers.

Uncut is God's design- so who are we to second guess.

God's design?

Mon, 12/07/2009 - 19:05
tinyclit

God was invented by men in part to subjugate women.  God is a concept we can do without.  I'm a woman and I have preferences.  I make decisions for myself thank you.  Uncircumsized cocks might as well be dog cocks to me.  They're also in the majority, so I don't think they are being discriminated against nor do they need any protection.  Circumsized cocks are a huge turn on.  I think we should alter the human genome to produce males with circumsized cocks from birth.  Long live the circumsized cock.

Tinyclit Rediculous/ Uneducated.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:30
Anonymous

I never have heard such nonsense.
First off, I believe in God and know that He is not some invention of men. The bible mentions that the male should love his wife like God loves the church.
You are entitled to your own believes and convictions. God made men with a foreskin. In the old testament circumcision was a commitment between God and male believers. Circumcision in the New testament is no longer required. Paul speakes about circumcision of the heart. I an uncircumcised gentile keeps God's law, is it not like he is circumcised? If a circumcised male does not keep |God's law, is he not like the uncircumcised.
Some people claimed that circumcision was practiced for hygienic reasons. This was not the case, it was a covenant between men and God.
If you claim that an uncircumcised penis looks like a dog's penis, than I'm glad and proud to be like a dog.
My question is, how perfect are you in the downstairs department? Some males might prefer their women not to have a lot of pubic hair, while others don't object to this. How well do you clean yourself?
Being uncircumcised or not is only a matter of hygiene. Yes an uncircumcised male might have to spend an extra 30 seconds in the bath or shower to clean his penis. The thought that a circumcised male is deemed cleaner as he supposedly does not have to clean as often makes me worried about the rest of his personal hygiene.
As soon as I was able to understand, both my mom and dad tought me how to clean my penis. This was not something that was only done when I had a bath or shower, but I was told to do this on a daily basis, even if I only washed up before going to bed. Before the age of 4 I was not able to retract my foreskin, but both parents told me to try it each day and just to wash it with water as best as possible. Around the age of 4 when I was first able to retract the foreskin a bit, I thought this was great and took a lot of pride in keeping it clean. Being in kindergarten and having had class swimming lessons, we as boys were in a large changing rooms with our class mates. It was then when I realized that some of the boys did have a strong smell to them. These same boys seemed to have problems with other aspects of personal hygiene. One of these things had to do with cleaning oneself after a bowel movement. I was completely grosed out to see some of the boys with major brown streaks in their at time white underwear. Keeping ones penis clean suddenly seem less important than having some of them not wiping their asses well enough not to have major skid marks. Being in the kindergarten school setting in the Netherlands in the late 60's, males and females ended up seeying each other nude during change times. Not only did I notice really bad skidmarks on the boys, but the girls as well. It is all about personal hygiene.
If a male takes pride in keeping his penis clean than the foreskin add to the sexual experience. I know that my wife enjoys the extra feature of my foreskin. Most of the males in Canada around my age are circumwacked

Please Reconsider Your Tone.

Joelface's picture
Mon, 12/07/2009 - 21:55
Joelface

I guess since uncut vulva's are in the majority, we don't need to protect healthy girls from having sensitive, functional tissue removed from their body without their choice?

You can have preferences all you like... You can prefer a guy with tattoos and piercings, but when someone is tattooing and piercing infants to suit those preferences... that is where something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.

I honestly don't care if it means you have to be a nun your whole life, your preference don't earn you the right to cut off parts of the male genitals. Those parts belong to ONLY one person, the person to whom they are attached, and they are free to do with them as they like when they are old enough to fully understand the graveness of a permanent and painful procedure and can give consent to having valuable tissue removed from their penis.

Just as a woman can do with her labia.

That said.. I think anyone who would cut off that part of their body has most likely gone completely mad (or has been manipulated by misinformation or myth).

I don't think your rude tone is suitable for this website at all, and I suggest you really reconsider your intentions of being here before you make another comment like that again. Don't tell men that the natural form of their penis "might as well be dog cocks" We don't appreciate anti-sex messages like that around here.

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Joelface is a moderator?

Tue, 12/08/2009 - 03:04
tinyclit

Joelface, are you a moderator here?  If so, then my appologies, but you should probably 1) make that clear; and 2) separate your moderation notices from your own personal involvement in a thread. It seems to me that you have given me a way over the top rather paternal and authoritarian lecture for no good reason whatsoever.  That's not moderation, that's a personal attack.  Is this a forum that does not and cannot tolerate genuine differences of opinion?  Or is that just you personally who cannot and will not tolerate genuine differences of opinion?

Your own rant aside, no one is going under the knife tomorrow because of my personal opinion. Please do not be so easilly offended.

My personal preference is for a man that already exists (the deed was already done 50 or more years ago), not
something that hasn't happened yet. My preference does not cause me to
run around with a knife and circumcise as yet uncircumcised men.

I most definately do very much appreciate and prefer the adult males
who are already here and are already circumcised.  I'm fully within my
rights as a woman to favor circumcised men
and to shun uncircumcised men. I can favor or shun men for any reason or for no reason. That is my right.

If you don't want a circumcision, please don't get one. If you don't want to circumcise your children, then please don't do so. Good for you!

If I gave birth to a son, I would NOT have him circumcised. It is just not my place to make such a weighty decision. I just could not and would not. Of course, many years in the
future he'd then need to find a woman who actually likes uncircumcised
men. I doubt he'd have any trouble finding one.

I'm also NOT recommending that any uncircumcised men run out and get circumcised on my account. That would be stupid. There are plenty of already circumcised men out there for me. You're just not one of them.  You don't care either because I am nothing and nobody to you. You'll never even meet me.

Yes, uncircumcised cocks do look like dog cocks -- to me. They look absolutely DISGUSTING!!! -- to me. If your cock is not circumcised, then it is a big turn off -- to me. That's not "anti-sex", that's just a peculiar personal perception (mine). It's a particular human female brain at work (mine). What is definately "anti-sex" is for you to dictate to me what my personal preferences should be. It doesn't matter that circumcising males is or is not a bad thing. That has absolutely nothing to do with it. Total red hering.

You get all offended when I tell you what my perceptions of
uncircumsized cocks are. If one woman's personal preferences provoke such a huge negative reaction in
you, then you're in for a rude shock. Wait until you hear about all the other possible personal preferences we females have. Hold on to your hat!

Ethics aside for a moment, if we hypothetically genetically engineered the male body to have a penis without a foreskin BUT with lots of extra pleasure nerves so that no nerve function is lost in the process, that would not be circumcision per-se. Not unless you think there is something sacrosanct about the human male body plan such that it is set in concrete and must never ever be "tampered with." Here I'm just toying with the idea of making males more pleasing to females (of my peculiar persuasion, of course). I'm not being particularly serious. I'm not aware of the rule that says I have to be serious 100% of the time, especially not in the rant forum which is for rants (which is what my post was, a rant).

Total Ignorance

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:10
Anonymous

Your remark was made out of complete ignorance.
As an uncircumcised male myself having been happily married for the last 21 years, I feel that it has a lot to do with the ways a person was raised. If circumcised penises were all that you were used to, than of course this seems natural. However currently in most of the Western culture circumcision does not really provide any genuine health benefits.
Most women in the US and Canada need to be educated on the fact that an infant's penis should be left alone, unless there is a genuine health concern (problem.)
In the case of women, your genitals are mostly hidden internal. Most males would not suggest to have a woman's vaginal flaps cut off because it might hide some hygienic problems. It is possible that the labia could have some material hidden in it. Also the cervix is internal, during normal washing this cannot be cleaned. So called douching is something that is not recommended and could cause sem serious problems.
Another example would be the rectum and bowel movements. Most people don't directly have a shower or bath after a bowel movement. This can be viewed as less hygienic than the natural (uncircumcised) penis. It is impossible to remove all of the fecal matter just by wiping alone. As a male who has had an active part in toilet training our three children, I can tell you that just wiping does not remove all fecal matter. Our oldest son was not toilet trained untill he was about four. Using cloth diapers in the hope that the wet and dirty sensation would help our son to be toilet trained, meant that I have had to clean these diapers as well. No matter how well I washed my hands using soaps, my hands still smelled like crap for the next day or so. As I have stated in one of my other posts, I have stated that some Asian cultures use water to clean themselves after a bowel movement. I believe that this is very helpful for hygienic reasons in a warm country.
In no way would it make sense or would I susggest to have your rectum removed because it does not provide one with hygienic conditions.
As for the uncircumcised penis looking like a dog's penis, shows complet ignorance. As for your personal choice, you have that right. It seems sort of sad and stupid to me that you could meet this man in your life, who might have met all the other criteria, to discover that he is not circumcised. It is utter stupidity to end the relationship just because the condition of his penis.
When a male child is born with some congenital problems with his penis, most urologist will discourage routine circumcision. The foreskin might be used in later life for reconstructive surgery.
I have been blessed by my wife's attitude towards my condition of not being circumcised. My wife having grown up in a culture where most men were circumcised, has had no problems with my uncircumcised penis. If anything she enjoyed the fact that I do have a foreskin. When our two sons were born, she told her own mother hat circumcision was not an option that we would even consider.
Please do your self and future sons a favor and educate yourself in regards to the uncirumcised penis. If you still have problems with the fact that the foresking traps dirt, then please have surgery yourself to have your pissflaps cut off as it might contain some hidden dirt as well. Any alteration to the human body should be avoided.
There are other genital problems that may arise later in life. It is possible that some males will come down with cancer of the testicle(s). Should we intervine early in life and remove his testicles to prevent the possibility of cancer.
The other thing that you should take in mind, is the fact that most to all natural males will be turned off by an uneducated cow like yourself.

I am not a mod.

Joelface's picture
Tue, 12/08/2009 - 18:29
Joelface

I thought it was fairly apparent that I was not a moderator, or I
would have made that more clear. My post was a suggestion, since there
is a very distinct sex-positive, pro-labia tone to this website. We
come to this website because of a respect for the messages put forth by
Betty Dodson and Carlin Ross... so, my suggestion was that since your
ideas seemed to not acknowledge these aspects, you should consider
reading more about their message.

As I said in my post, you are
free to prefer what you want, but to rudely demean those who don't fit
your preferences is not okay. There is a difference between a man being
homosexual and a man coming onto this website to say that women are
"dogs" - to him.

As well, when you wrote "nor do they need any
protection." I took issue with that.. because you seemed to be
suggesting that you saw no ethical error inthe circumcision of INFANT boys, and did not condone anyone standing up against it. In your subsequent response, you indicated
that "if I gave birth to a son, I would NOT have him circumcised. It is
just
not my place to make such a weighty decision. I just could not and
would not." Because of your clarification, I do feel the need to
apologize for insinuating that you felt it was something that should
belong in the realm of parental choice. I am very sorry. I understand
your frustration with me having not understood your message.

That
said, there is a large difference in preferring something that happens
unfairly to small boys and something that an adult chooses for
themselves... Imagine the difference between preferring a man with a
full body tattoo they chose for themselves... and preferring men to be
fully-tattooed as infants.

Imagine me preferring women who were
to undergo adult labia plasty, as opposed to women having their
genitals cut and altered at birth. The difference is enormous. (neither
are entirely respectable preferences, but at least the first one allows
a woman to choose whether she is subjected to a permament, painful,
damaging procedure).

Please do not mistake my recommendation
twoards your post with a more personal level of offendedness. I do not
think your way of expressing your distaste, for that which is not your
preference, was appropriate for a website that makes a large effort to
change the negative stereotypes about natural bodies.

Perhaps one of our main differences, is that I don't think it is funny to put "ethics aside for a moment"...

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