Your Porn-Use Pattern is Largely Molded by a Corporation

Mon, 04/11/2016 - 07:10
Submitted by Carlin Ross

No one watches porn on dvds anymore...no one is subscribing to Playboy or the Spice channel. Most of us get our porn from aggregator sites like YouPorn, Redtube and PornHub - not surprisingly these sites are owned by one company MindGeek.

In her new book The Pornography Industry, Shira Tarrant, a professor of women’s, gender, and sexuality studies at Cal State Long Beach, takes a look at the financial side of porn (the porn industry brings in more money than Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Apple, and Yahoo, combined) and the power of keywords in shaping our sexual tastes (read her full interview with Joe Pinsker):

"It starts with how pornography is keyworded. So, people put in search terms, but those search terms aren't all that original, really. Because where do we learn the search words that we're looking for? It's sort of a chicken-and-egg problem. And so porn gets keyworded in very stereotyped, often sexist, often racist ways, and also just with a narrow-minded view of sexuality.

If you are interested in something like double oral, and you put that into a browser, you're going to get two women giving one guy a blowjob. If you put “double oral” into a browser you're not likely to get two men or two people giving a woman oral sex. That's just not how it's keyworded. That then feeds into what the industry decides to make more of.

In addition, MindGeek, for example, uses algorithms to create highly curated personalized sites that are based on the user's search history. It's a lot like Amazon, where you look for a couple of books and they say, “You might also be interested in this.” Then you're being spoon-fed a limited range of pornography based on the keywords you use, based on your geographic location, based on their algorithms and the information that they're processing about time of day. They're doing a lot of data collection. Online-porn users don't necessarily realize that their porn-use patterns are largely molded by a corporation."

When I look at our google analytics and go over the keywords users type in to find us, I'm always struck by how "porny" they are...no one is searching "authentic female orgasm" or "clitoral stimulation with vaginal penetration" or "body appreciation".  It's overwhelming to think about how much power this one company has in influencing our sexual interests.  When I think of Grayson typing in his first sex-related search, I wonder how much more influence they'll have over his developing sexuality. 

Something has to be done at the google level.

Editor in Chief & Keeper of All Things Betty Dodson

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Porn & teenagers

Mon, 04/11/2016 - 11:09

There was an article last year in the Economist that looked at the way people used porn. Apparently the author took comfort from the fact that the most searched term is along the lines of "young cheerleaders".

As the mother of young teens, who are frequently hassled on the way to and from school by men old enough to be their fathers (whilst wearing their school uniforms) I find the utter commonality of the search term less than reassuring. 

And of course without decent SexEd most of the young men my daughters and their friends come across are expecting waxed, hairless vulvas, instant orgasms, anal sex and pee squirting across the room, probably accompanied by heavy panting and halleluias.

Lesbianism has never seemed more rational (and yes, I know it's not a choice, rational or otherwise). 

I agree with you 100%.  It

Mon, 04/11/2016 - 18:32

I agree with you 100%.  It totally freaks me out that Grayson is going to have his preferences molded by some trillion dollar company distributing the same shlock male-centered theatrical nothing-like-real-sex bs porn. 

I see my next campaign.  Would be interesting to see if I could get major corporate and governmental support for creating a sex positive zone where kids could find sex ed, sex art and sex media curated for heathful sexuality.

Sex positive zone

Tue, 04/12/2016 - 04:32

Great idea, go for it! 

It's not just porn that misinforms. Lots of elements of our culture do, from classic old fashioned romantic novels to ads. Whenever someone like John Stewart or Larry Wilmore talk about sex you discover how bad sex ed is. When even they have probs and obvious issues.

I would think most gynosexuals find young cheerleaders attractive. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is a lack of respect for those you desire. If we respect each other, we care about wether someone else is uncomfortable.

Superstition rules in modern day sexual field.

Tue, 04/12/2016 - 05:03

Something needs to be done. Cheering to your campaign, Carlin.
We need sound alternatives to the madness of google algorithms and pitiful, incorrectly focused sex-education dumbing down the masses.
The internet is for sure helping to distribute correct information, however, it sometimes feels like there are more opposite forces at play underneath the surface. 
It's tiresome to read the comments of male brainwashed admirers of the alpha male phenomenon, for example. White stuff is expected to spew forth from the insides of a female during piv-sex. This is interpreted as her orgasm, not natural, bacterial waste from her mucous vaginal membranes that has nothing to do with sexual response. Superstition is power in modern day sexual field. 
Many misguided men have uncritically swallowed up all the myths of male prerogative offered by institutional education and porn. Wannabe womanizers entertain images of easy conquests of submissive, meek females willing to make do with whatever they decide to offer.
Mainstream male values smack of severely malignant psychopathology where exploitation and contempt are in use. 'Empathy', 'commitment'  and 'apology' are merely decorative lip-service.
Callous people make money in the internet by teaching men how to love bomb and discard.  Uneducated men buy into these strategies.
A sad fact is, many preorgasmic, equally ignorant women allow themselves to be duped in to unrewarding, traumatizing sex. 
It seems as if the devaluing of target and the importance of maintaining perceived superiority over gains increasing strength and momentum from our culture.
Are we becoming immune to truthful information on not only sex, but on our living & life as a whole?
L.S.

Thanks, Carlin,  for showing

Tue, 04/12/2016 - 06:53
sweet stinker (not verified)

Thanks, Carlin,  for showing us one more aspect  of sex ed which modern parents need to be prepared to talk with their teens about. I hope your campaign is a wolrdwide success by the time my two boys are looking for porn- which is gonna be much sooner than I expected, as I found my 9-year old googling simply the word SEX.   The very first thing that came up was an instructional video by a porn star on how to prepare for anal sex!

Porn Tropes fantasy/reality

Wed, 04/13/2016 - 12:09

Jake,
I understand that it's "normal" for men attracted to women to search for porn related to young teenage girls based on the Economist article if nothing else.
But your post led me to two questions:

Is it gendered? You use the word gynosexual suggesting that both heterosexual men and lesbians are attracted to young girls. Really? There's no evidence middle aged lesbians spend most of their time searching out young teens in porn or real life. Isn't it a very male fantasy, something about young helpless women etc? 

Certainly it would not be regarded as "normal" or everyday for a middle aged woman to be fantasizing about sex with a pubescent teenage boy in porn or real life. Obviously not much porn is aimed at the female market directly but looking through romance or soft porn novels suggests that young inexperienced boys are the last thing most women are looking for when it comes to sex.
 
So it's clearly gendered behaviour, playing into the whole trope around young helpless girls, possibly ignorant virgins/victims and supposedly experienced powerful expert men. It's a very male gendered fantasy, not gynosexual at all.

Is it problematic?

Fantasy is not a problem. What we hold in our minds is our own business. But this trope of powerful men and very young girls is so very everyday, and as your post shows, so totally acceptable in mainstream thought that it doesn't stay as a fantasy.

Men act out this behaviour everyday with young girls in school uniform.

It doesn't stop with looks. Middle aged men cat call girls on a regular basis. My daughters and their friends have had men comment on their legs, their breasts and tell them they must be "gagging for it" since they were around twelve years old whilst going to and from school. The media is full of stories of young girls being groped and wanked on in public places. The EverydaySexism twitter feed is full of this crap.

There is something wrong with men finding young girls attractive when they act on that attraction which they do all too often and I find this social acceptance of what is essentially predatory behaviour problematic.

censorship

Wed, 04/13/2016 - 15:43
t.t. (not verified)

Censorship comes to mind. Doesn't China do that?

Respect the people we desire.

Wed, 04/20/2016 - 08:03

Housewife, I think your reading a lot of negativity ,into my post that isn’t there. There’s nothing in my post that says middle age men desiring young girls is accepted in main stream thought and so  thatis what  leads to offending. I just said that the fantasy is OK for anyone  if your actions aren’t selfish. I use gynosexuial because it’s gender inclusive. And so using it does acknowledge that I accept the possibility that women are full sexual beings, who have a diverse set of desires that can include inapropriate fantasies too, and they enjoy the very fact that they’re inapropriate. I know a woman in her 30s who likes the fantasy of being with a schoolboy. 

And women sexually transgress too, but their actions don’t usually carry the fear of being overpowered and raped, so seem far less serious, but they happen . I have a friend who was drinking in a gay bar and on the way home one of the women she had befriended grabbed her and kissed her. without asking. Because she’s married she felt really guilty for enjoying it. She felt torn and bad about it. 

The cultural change  we need is that women should be able to be proactive sexuially without negative judgement, and that would take the pressure off boys and reduce the hunting mentality and let them value their ability to atract, and more women could experience immediate rejection of their advances. And if we teach people that none of us are entitled to sex and that no-one is obliged to give it. Both sexes will be more able to cope. 

The very simplest and most effective part of the solution is in my original post. And that is that we’re unselfish and we  respect the people we desire. it really is a s simple as that

Respect

Thu, 04/21/2016 - 04:32

Jake,
 
We all have "hot" issues and middle aged men with dodgy attitudes to teen girls is obviously one of mine. I have teenage daughters.

As I noted in my reply, our minds are our own and policing other people's fantasies is never a good thing. Fantasy is often a way to explore the transgressive without harm or hindrance for both men and women. 

My two issues were really with a throw away remark in your original post. Firstly, a technical comment on the use of the word gynosexual: the middle-aged/young teen fantasy is gendered and not gynosexual.  

Whilst some women, some of the time, may fantasize about young teens (as your friend) it is not the most common fantasy for most women, according to the research of people like Shere Hite, nor is there any suggestion that it is a common porn search for women, or a common soft porn/romance reading topic.

Most male porn searches are based on young school girls and cheerleaders (by a large margin). It is a commonplace fantasy for most men. It is not a gynosexual fantasy.

Even so, to repeat my second point: it's only a problem when fantasy crosses innapropriately into reality.  

Sadly, it often crosses into reality for men. Over the last couple of days, the twitter feed for everydaysexism has been posting under #WhenIWas  and the long long list of young girls describing their first sexual harrassment has been almost unbearable. Older men harrassing, assaulting and raping young girls and women cuts across countries and cultures around the world. The testimony from women around the world is heartbreaking.

So the cultural change that we really need is one whereby men learn to distinguish between fantasy and reality, where men start to treat young women and teens with a degree of respect rather than entitlement. I would really value a cultural shift when talking about grown men and young girls which did not involve telling women how to change their behaviour but rather focused on the problem rather than the victim.

PS The comment that women sexually transgress as well as men is a bit odd. It happens: one of my favourite members of this forum has posted very eloquently about the abuse he suffered as a young man from a predatory older woman. But it remains true that the perpetrators of sexual crimes, rape, assault etc are overwhelmingly men and the victims are mainly women. We all know this to be true. 

Inclusive solutions

Fri, 04/22/2016 - 16:40

Housewife

You can’t determine the gender balance of porn search data. And you can’t determine the gender balance across a population of very private sexual desire fantasies. You can't assert that women don't have offending fantasies, but we can say they commit less reported sex crime. Nothing I've said has disputed that. 

I use gynosexual and androsexual as much as I can, everywhere because they’re non gendered. https://www.google.co.uk/#q=jake+e+gynosexual+dodson

I’m not using the word gynosexual to argue between the lines that men are not the largest perpetrators of sex crime out of the 2 sexes , they are. Carlin proposed a sexual education  initiative  and in discussing that initiative we have to propose solutions that address all sexual behaviour of both sexes and all genders. 

Gender & Porn

Sat, 04/23/2016 - 07:04

Jake,
To go back to the original post by Carlin about how search engines are shaping people's on-line porn usage, the very same search engines are indeed being used to analyse the gender balance of porn search data. You can determine the gender balance of porn search data if you access the search engine, look through the data etc. The web is a public not private place.

This article from the Economist 

Pornography (1): A user's manual - The Economist

describes work done by  Ogi Ogas and Sai Gaddam, two neuroscientists looking at how much porn can be found on the web, how it's used and by who. They've published a book A Million Wicked Thoughts which describes their findings which are pretty much as you'd predict. They found "The top four categories were words relating to youth, breasts, vaginas and buttocks" 
 
There have been a couple of articles now which look as porn as a business and a possible force for social change. They're worth looking through.

I have to subscribe to the

Tue, 04/26/2016 - 08:25

I have to subscribe to the Economist to see the article but I google"how does a seaerch engine know my gender" and got this. http://www.searchengineplatform.com/google-determines-age-and-gender-under-the-demographics-report/ and your right you can determine gender quite well. So I thought what is the breakdown of gender for different words and searched "porn search words by gender" and the top result is this :) http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/13/pornhub-reveals-the-top-kinds-of-porn-women-search-for-online-5194808/
21% is a higher figure than I thought for women searching porn. If you look down to the graphic about catagories. Teen is the number one for men and number 3 for women, and in search words teen is number one for men and number 6 for women. 

But then at the bottom it says porn hub are relying on users honesty when they register their gender and now I've run out of time. So whwen I can I'll try and search for Bing and Google  porn search results by gender, as Bing is the best porn search engine anyway. 

Search Engines

Tue, 04/26/2016 - 12:42

If you just copy the article title from the Economist back into your browser, and search you can normally access the articles for free from the search results - it just takes two steps rather than going direct. There's a limit of a few articles a week I think.

It always amazes me, the amount of personal information we all leave lying around on-line for helpful cookies and other algorithms, presumably how they manage to customise all of those lucrative advert links. 

Porn

Tue, 06/21/2016 - 20:22

I agree with the problems with porn, its a troubling and complicated issue and our kids are at great risk of poor sexual development and unsatisfying 'bad' sex....
Just for interest Erika Lust does some awesome stuff and has an excellent TEDX talk http://erikalust.com/ted-talk/

the Clit List

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 11:04

Just found a reference to a porn resource being created with sexual assault survivors in mind on the following site:

The Clit List: A Porn Resource Website with Sexual Assault Survivors ...

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