"A Remedy for Masturbation Almost Always Successful in Small Boys: Circumcision"

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 09:11
Submitted by Carlin Ross

Joel Smart describes the origins of circumcision in the United States:

"The true origins of circumcise are seemingly lost in antiquity, although many theories exist. However, in America, non-religious circumcision became popularized only in the mid-1800s during the highly puritanical Victorian era. Although there are many ideas as to why the practice is done today, the original motivation was to prevent children from masturbating (which was called self-abuse at the time, due to the belief that it caused disease, insanity and death).

Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, inventor of Corn Flakes, exemplifies the mindset of the time when he wrote in his book: “A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision… The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering anaesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment.”

Since that time, numerous “studies” looking for new “possible” benefits of circumcision, usually once the last reason had been disproved. Circumcision was said to prevent everything from bed wetting to clubfoot. Female genital cutting was also common at the time, for similar reasons, and was even covered by Blue Cross-Blue Shield medical insurance until 1977."

Just how barbaric does circumcision sound now?  They still don't give the baby boy any sort of anasthetic. The whole point is to inflict pain. I was so happy when my mom told me that my sister was having a girl because I didn't have to worry about circumcision. I never would have won that fight.

Editor in Chief & Keeper of All Things Betty Dodson

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My now-3-year-old boy was

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 11:48
gingermama (not verified)

My now-3-year-old boy was circumsed in the hospital.  While I regret having the procedure done, he did receive local / topical anesthetic.  

The crazy religious side

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:53
Dave3423423 (not verified)

When I was looking up info on the failed attempt to ban circumcision in SF (I was in Europe all summer so I missed the news when it happened) I found some disturbing articles written in defense of circumcision.  I myself am Jewish so it was especially revolting to hear all this BS come from people in my own culture.  In fact it's made me mad enough to want to dissociate myself completely from Judaism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/are-the-circumcision...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-auerbach/mothers-jewish-circumcision...

Also this video:  most important parts at about 9 min, then 21 min.

The one by Rabbi Boteach is obviously very ironically titled, only he doesn't realize it.  The second sounds like it came from a brainwashed member of a cult.  A few years ago I might have agreed with them, simply out of ignorance.  Growing up in America, and especially as a Jewish American, being circumcised was normal.  So normal that we were cultured to believe that it was best to do it when we were babies so we wouldn't have to deal with the pain later on - as if you died at 25 if you were left intact. At the same time, women grew up thinking that pain, chafing, dryness, and not being able to have orgasms was normal and this extra skin was gross.  While I don't know what kind of audience it will reach, I'm glad that the majority of comments on those articles are critical of the authors' viewpoints.  It's especially important that Jews who feel victimized by it are vocal to help undermine the "anti-semite" defense used against those who object to circumcision.

I have thought for a long time that circumcision is about sexual control.  Just like evangelical Americans were freaking out over boys masturbating and had to do something to cure it, Jews started it in order to keep Jews together.  Meaning, a Pagan woman would not accept a Jewish man as her lover due to being mutilated so a Jewish woman was his only option. 

Of course, no one cared about what it did to women. 
Fortunately we really don't need a law to end this practice.  It's going away on its own, thanks to the internet and being able to spread this info far and wide.  Oddly, it's actually a use for internet porn, especially amateur stuff - men and women can see people enjoying sex with normal sized, unmutilated parts of both sexes(rather than the giant cut dicks and sliced labia of pro stuff) and learn that what nature gave them was normal, pleasurable, and beautiful.

hmmmm

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 13:03

HASN'T WORKED FOR ME....:)

Protect Children's Rights!

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 16:08
James Loewen (not verified)

Forced circumcision, genital cutting of children is an abomination. Help end it, get informed and speak out!

circumcision

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 16:43
rts (not verified)

Here we go again on circumcision.  From my research, women prefer oral sex with a circumcised guy, especially in Europe.  Disease is much more easily transmitted from male to female by an un-circumcised penis.  A circumcised penis is inherently much cleaner, taste better and smells better.

Circumcision

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 19:48
Daniel (not verified)

As a Jew, I believe that it is based on religion. But from a medical perspective I look at as being able to sanitize the penis easier. I do not think it is a form of punishment, even people of other religions are getting circumcised. Basically what I am trying to state is that don't say it should be banned or illegal and don't pass a law on making it mandatory for all men it really depends on what your view or your parents perspective of it, traditional or preferential.

So...

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 02:38
Hugh7 (not verified)

@rts: All reasons a man might choose to have himself circumcised (if they were true) - yet strangely, very, very few European men ever do. None of them good reasons for cutting part off a baby boy's penis - and cutting his choice off with it.

ok so how do we handle it

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 04:19
antonio (not verified)

Your comments about the penis "inherently" much cleaner, taste better and smells better shows your ignorance, the forskin is there for a purpose, but I do have a question for you,  if circumcision resolves the nastieness of a penis what can we do with the vagina, because that smell and taste can sometimes stop a herd of wild horses on its tracks, waiting for your response.

Every individual is born with human rights

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 02:33

The point of the quote by Kellogg above was not to insinuate that people today choose to do it as a punishment. The point was to illustrate that the non-religious origins of the practice in America are not based on some great medical need, but rather a desire to stop masturbation in a culture that was afraid of sex. You couldn't count on an American to know it today, but most of the men in the world (throughout history) have lived just fine without having their foreskin removed.

I agree with you that we don't need a law making it illegal for someone to choose to get circumcised, but I do want to challenge your consideration for what a parent's perspective matters. Considering no national medical organization in the world recommends it, and the fact that the foreskin is packed with some of the most sensitive nerve endings on the entire body (like those found in the fingertips and lips, in fact)... I just don't see why a parent's preference for a genitally-cut penis should be considered adequate reason to tie down a child and cut off their foreskin.

Religion is personal. I don't want my parent's religion surgically branded onto my body for my entire life -- long after I've chosen a different belief system for myself.
An obsession with surgically-sanitizing the penis is a personal choice, not one you make for a person before they can consent to it.

Let the individual decide about unnecessary, permanent surgery for their own body. I really don't think that adhering to such basic ethics is too much to ask.

dollars and sense or lack of

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 09:06
soapberryusa (not verified)

[= 9.5pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA]The way all of the aficionados of the dodson and ross camp are working the anti-circumcision crusade you would think there is some big money involved.  Maybe those people should be concentrating on not spreading their germs and STDs (like the ever so present HPV) that surreptitiously infects potential innocent victims connected to capricious lifestyles.  I know there has to be some hypocrisy involved here. [/]

Well I'm 65 and have been

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 20:55

Well I'm 65 and have been married 43 years. I'm also circumcised, partially that is. My foreskin is cut so that when my penis is flacid, the skin almost completely envelopes the head of my penis. When I'm erect, the head and glans are fully exposed for maximum sensation. My mother tried to explain when I was a teenager the procedure was recommended as a personal hygein issue.

Obviously I don't recall if there was any pain associated with the procedure but I honestly don't believe it has impacted on my sexuality at all. I still masturbate regularly and have the most wonderful and intense orgasms.

Philistines?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 09:53
soapberryusa (not verified)

This circumcision controversy will not go away it seems.   The reason that people have little boys circumcised is for the looks of it.  Anyone with aesthetic values would understand that. Those coarse and artless naïve that do not should be relegated to the Philistine-ish side of life. As Snidely Whiplash would say Yah ha ha!

Circumcision before puberty

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 11:07
Ogden (not verified)

Circumcision before puberty has been proven to reduce sensivity and will knock a whole inch off in length. Leave it as nature intended it

Circumcision and HIV

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 22:52
John Anderson (not verified)

I didn't circumcise my son even though I was circumcised. 10 years on and I see the rate of HIV infections is significantly lower in circumcised men! So much so the South African government is offering free circumcision for all men and boys under a few months old or over 15 years. I would like to see a more detailed article on this fact in this forum.

Revolting

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 11:09

Condoms are trickier to use if your uncircumcised but if you use condoms successfully the risk of aquiring HIV is no different wether your circumcised or not. Offering free circumcisions to boys a few months old is revolting and pointless, and offering free circumcisions to boys over 15 and under 18 is revolting and pointless too. A functional part of their body is gone forever and it's their decision alone. If your wondering wether calling this revolting is too extreme a reaction. If we cut our ears off we can still hear, but if we cut off a babies ears, clearly without their permision I think most people would find that revolting.

Son was Circumcised

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 14:28
Allabelle (not verified)

My son was circumcised. He was given an anasthetic, so i was told. They didn't allow us back to the surgical room, but when they brought him back to us a few minutes later he was asleep...I honestly don't even remember what his penis had looked like before it. looked almost the same, to me. I'm sure the difference would have been more outstanding had it happened later. Personally i am against circumcising, but for whatever reason my husband wanted our son circumcised. I guess like father like son, and my husband doesn't seem starved for sexual satisfaction in that area. So i don't know. Whether it was right or not, i let him choose, since he has a penis and i don't. I think men tend to push the issue on that subject way more than women do, perhaps? But I do want to press more forcibly next time if we have another son that I want him to be left intact. I do feel that it should be the right of the infant when they get older to decide if it is for them or not. 

More pleasure, more sex and masturbation but a down side

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:46
Martha B (not verified)

True.  From what I have read and my experience with several uncircumsized men, they, as a group, do enjoy more sex and masturbate more often because of the greater pleasure of it. This group has much lower incidence of ED, for example.  
However, there is the hygene and the higher risk of spreading an STD. 

Marti

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