Masturbating & Getting Nowhere I Want to Be Orgasmic

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 14:32
Submitted by Betty Dodson

I wanted to write to you for an answer about a problem I’m having, but also to express my concern at the homogeneity of the sexual pleasure/how to orgasm advice I have received from every source I have found.

I have never had an orgasm, and I would like to. I have asked for advice from friends, websites, books, and sex tips blogs, and they all tout the same line: masturbate. Especially, masturbate by playing w/ your clitoris. Well, I am writing to you today because I have tried that—the rest of this letter lists the ways I have tried that—and yet I have not found a significant increase in my pleasure or excitement during partner sex or masturbation after having tried. I haven’t even made progress by masturbating.

Below are the things I have tried, my obstacles, and my observations. I hope they will help you come up w/ some suggestions for what else to try. But, as you read, please keep in mind the key question I want answered about reaching orgasm for a female-bodied individual:

What should one do when masturbation doesn’t work?

As I mentioned before, the majority of advice I have received from different sources on how to figure out how to reach orgasm is the same: masturbate (especially by playing w/ your clitoris and vulva, rather than your G-spot).

The sentences in quotation marks are the pieces of advice/tips I have found. Below them are my results.

“Play w/ yourself. See what turns you on.”

Jah, I get it. My problem? My body doesn’t respond much when I touch myself, whether I use my fingers or toys, whether I use more lube or less lube, whether I’m ragingly horny when I start masturbating or I feel neutral. On a scale of one (agony) to ten (bliss) w/ five being neutral, when I touch myself it feels like a 5.5 or a 6. If I’m lucky, it will be 6.5 for a few seconds.

“Try watching porn or reading erotica while you masturbate.”

I’ve tried masturbating (clitoral, labial, and G-spot) while watching porn and erotic literature I really loved on several occasions, and there was no improvement.

“Try different positions.”

I have.

“Experiment w/ different toys.”

I’ve used vibrators, dildos, fabric, stuffed toys, shower heads, chairs/bicycle seats, pillows, and furniture. I have experimented w/ bladder fullness to increase my genitals’ sensitivity to stimulation. A lot of these feel nice, but they don’t get me far.

I have tried placing vibrators (whilst they are vibrating) against my clitoris and it feels uncomfortable. I have to apply pressure through the hood over my clitoris, or not the hood when applied directly, to feel anything. When I apply pressure to this area w/ a vibrator, it is uncomfortable.

“Create ambiance. Relax. Light some candles, scatter rose petals around the room, take a relaxing bath, make sure you won’t be interrupted, and make an enticing setting for you to explore your body.”

The lighting was nice, but the rest of it was not helpful. Also, me exploring myself is not exciting, no matter the interior decorations. I don’t know, maybe I’m just not my type?

“Explore your clitoris/labia majora/labia minora/the space in between the folds.”

If I do clitoral stimulation for long enough (fifteen minutes), my right leg and toes start twitching, which I have been told may indicate that one is close to orgasm/peaking. Well, once I reach that point I try to continue as long as I can, but nothing happens. I either wind up stopping because my muscles are exhausted, my pleasure plummets, and/or I lose interest. If my muscles had the stamina to keep that up for forty-five minutes, maybe something would happen, but there’s the problem. Also, when I stimulate my clitoris directly or indirectly, I feel my body responding (leg twitches eventually) and I feel physical sensations from touching my clitoris, but…they are not what I would call pleasurable. They are positive, pleasant sensations, but they don’t feel like “pleasure” to me. It’s not the sort of sensation I actively want because it’s not very pleasurable for me. To describe it a different way: I enjoyed the film, but I wouldn’t pay to see it. When partners have played w/ my bits in the past, it often feels better, sometimes a lot better, but they’re doing the same movements I do on my own.

Playing w/ my labias feels nice, but it doesn’t get me far.

Pressure against the space between my urethra opening and my vaginal opening is nice, but it doesn’t do much for me.

“Try taking vacations from your medications that impact your sex drive.”

I wish that was an option. It is not.

“Explore non-obvious parts of your body, such as breast/nipple stimulation, your shins, your knees, or your feet.”

Tried it. My breasts are not sensitive to stimulation. :S Shins feel nice, feet feel interesting, but they do not give me much pleasure. Scalp play gets me excited, but it’s only pleasurable for me when someone else is doing it. I have found no “magically sensitive area” on my body I can access on my own other than my G-spot. And me pressing that one, as you are aware, hasn’t gotten me where I want to be.

“If you have a kink/fetish that really turns you on, try incorporating that into your exploration.”

I have tried this w/ my partners (my kinks/fantasies entail the real physical presence and participation of another person). It increased my excitement a bit, but it did not result in a real improvement in my level of pleasure. I did not get closer to a peak or to breaking through a plateau/approaching orgasm.

“Try alternating between stimulating different sensitive parts of your body.”

Alternate between what? My G-spot and the places that aren’t pleasurable?

“When/before you masturbate, touch yourself the way you like to be touched during foreplay.”

I tend to only get excited by my partner licking and sucking on my neck and ears. Sadly, I am not Gene Simmons.

“Try simultaneously stimulating your clitoris and your G-spot.”

When I do that or have a partner do this, I wind up being able to feel only the clitoral stimulation OR the G-spot stimulation, not both. :S When it’s going well w/ my G-spot, I can feel little or no sensation from my clitoris (or when clitoral stimulation starts, I become numb to my G-spot), and on the rare occasion that the majority of my pleasure is coming from my clitoris, then I become numb to whatever is going on in my vaginal canal.

So, at this point, I feel frustrated and sort of at wit’s end. I don’t experience much pleasure when I play w/ my clitoris or my other external bits. When I or a partner apply direct or indirect stimulation to my clitoris, it feels nice, but it actually feels good when someone else is touching it, yet the sensations from clitoral stimulation still sometimes feel annoying rather than good. The best pleasure I have felt came from deep vaginal stimulation using dildos and vibrators, but I don’t like vibrations in my vagina, I like thrusting. This has its own problems, for A) it is difficult for me to reach a pleasing angle for said thrusting (my arms are two inches shorter than average), B) I often become desensitized or I plateau after a while, C) I don’t have the muscle endurance to keep it up for over half an hour, and D) I can’t maintain an exciting mental fantasy while moving my toy. I have had partner sex (vaginal) where they reached my G-spot and did things that felt great for over forty-five minutes straight, and…nothing. After the initial rise in pleasure, my pleasure just plateau-ed until my vaginal opening became irritated from the prolonged movement (this is w/ lubrication) and we had to stop.

But here is the most frustrating piece of advice that I see everywhere, stated either explicitly or understood implicitly: “If you don’t know how to make yourself cum, you can’t expect your partner to know how to do it for you.”

Oh, really? My partners have gotten much closer to making me orgasm than I ever have. It feels good when someone else touches me the way I touch myself. I have gotten close to peaking/orgasm/or something like it three times, and each of those times was when my partner was the one touching me. Two of those times, I hadn’t even told the person how I liked to be touched there.

As you might imagine, after trying all of these things I have started to feel rather hopeless and, I will say it, defective. But I don’t want to give up. Sex and sexual pleasure are important to me—they are parts of my entity w/ which I want to engage. Really, sexual stimulation for me feels good when I have a partner. But great partner sex doesn’t consistently get me close to a peak, a climax, an orgasm, or whatever you want to call it or its cousins. Exploring w/ a partner sounds nice, but I don’t exactly have a throng of partners offering to play w/ my bits until I orgasm. I have tried what the books, websites, sex advice columns, and my friends have told me. And, as you have noticed, I still needed to write you this letter. I feel stuck, disheartened, and defective, and not through any lack of trying. Overall, masturbation hasn’t helped me discover what I like, it has shown me what doesn’t work.

All this masturbation isn’t working. I am no closer to achieving orgasm now than I was three years ago when I started trying to find answers. So...what am I, or anyone else like me, supposed to do now?

I appreciate your time and any advice, suggestions, or anything you can give me about this topic.

Dear A,

Your question is one of the most elaborate ones I've ever received! You have pretty much covered all the current advice that's available. I have to say that some of your responses made me laugh, although I'm clear that this is not a laughing matter to you. There are so many so-called "experts" ready to tell us what female orgasm is about but none of them have worked for you! The one statement that made the most sense to me, you say you cannot do: “Try taking a vacation from your medications that impact your sex drive.”

Those twitches and leg responses sound like your body is trying desperately to respond but it cannot break through the fog of your anti-depressant. From all that others have said, ask your damn doctor to try another brand or lower the dose. I'll include my top essays for you to add to your list, but if nothing else, your lack of orgasm and the med has turned you into an excellent researcher. I am impressed!

Be sure to pay attention to what Dr. Marcia Angell says.

Dr. Betty

Liberating women one orgasm at a time

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This is very similar to my

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 06:20
Anonymous1234 (not verified)

This is very similar to my situation only I am on no medications. I eat well, look after myself, am fit, in love and otherwise very happy. Except I don't feel much pleasure from sex or masturbation and like the person who posted this question I've tried everything. I am considering going to the Dr and seeing if I have nerve or hormone problems. Could this be a possibility?

On 01/16/2012 there was a

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 08:35

On 01/16/2012 there was a post about a woman "E" who just can't get throught the barrier to orgasm. Several of us wrote in with comments about how we are able to orgasm, and several of us only started masturbating in our 50's and 60's. I really wish I had learned earlier in life, but c'est la vie, I'm glad I know now!
I have never taken an antidepressant, but from what I know from other people, it can severely impair your libido and sexual arousal. If you are taking one, you may have to choose which is more important to you. I was mildly depressed a couple of years ago. Part of the reason I felt depressed was because I wasn't able to have sex with a partner. Learning to masturbate may have cured my depression. Thank you Betty!!
I do not enjoy a vibrator directly on my clit at all. I do have a very sensitive area, kind of to the right of my vagina, that is the best place for me to stimulate. I would not have known that without experimentation. I also find that I have to be relaxed and not tired or stressed in order to come. Good luck to you, don't give up.

I get the frustrated cynicism

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 10:51
Lurker133 (not verified)

I get the frustrated cynicism but this was a telling statement "The lighting was nice, but the rest of it was not helpful. Also, me exploring myself is not exciting, no matter the interior decorations. I don’t know, maybe I’m just not my type?"
It seems you go through all the motions but never get into the groove, A. Although you say sex is important to you, aren't you really just critical of the whole process, your sexual response or something?

At least it doesn't sound like there's anything wrong with you physiologically (well, what would I know?) but you mention your partners have more success pleasuring you with the same types of stimulation you might use on yourself on occasions. This gives me the impression partner sex is the one time you get distracted enough to actually feel things rather than toiling for pleasure.

Maybe take a step back, forget about orgasm (can't believe I just said that) and just appreciate the feelings you do get. After all, orgasm is simply pleasure in "lots" and that's what you're really after, right? Heck I don't know mcuh, but I feel for you and hope you work it out, A.
Love and light
L

quit the drug

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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:16

Get off your medication if you wanna be able to experience the orgasms you're craving for. I've been under pain-killers and sleeping pills for about 20 odd years until I decided 2-3 years ago to try and find my own pleasure as a replacement of my artificial 'high' and what I found is so much more... Anyway, I noticed that every time I was (ab)using of sleeping tablets I was sexually numb for a couple of days after so I took the decision to cut it off with the help of weed - a relaxant as well as a sexual enhancer btw. Funny enough, it was mainly to wipe my frustration and the lack of sexual pleasure that I was using pills, having no idea it was precisely what was keeping me off.
I did loads of researches about how to orgasm during those last 3 years, and in Lou Paget's 'Big O' there is pp 177-178 an amazing list of all the legal and largely prescribed drugs that may contribute to sexual disordres in women (drugs that are decreasing desire or even inhibiting orgasm) and when I found the pain-killer I'm still using on a daily basis in that list, I took the decision to quit it as well and I'm on my way, for I know there's no better way to make me feel high than climaxing... Now you wouldn't believe my doctor's face when she realised sex was my motive to quit drugs and I suspect there's a shitload of female druggies that would drop their dope if they could only experience orgasm...

Perhaps it's possible she

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:34

Perhaps it's possible she just havn't been at it long enough. Betty always says women need to take more time and not demand direct results. I bet she's tried everything for like ten minutes.
Also note that she doesn't mention what kind of medication she's on, so I think it's wrong to just suggest she quits it. And to assume it's an antidepressant. It could be she's on SSRI's or some other kind of antidepressant. It could be that she takes sleeping pills. It could be blood preassure medication or something else that is directly physically vital to her life.

what medication

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:16

I think it would be helpful, A, if you told Betty what medication you are taking. Any mention of antidepressants seems to bring on a firestorm, but I would like to tell people that the treatment in the past for depression was desiccated thyroid. Depression is an extremely common symptom of hypothyroidism, and I suspect lack or lowering of sexual response may be as well.

It sounds to me like you need a thorough medical workup by an intelligent practitioner. That statement sounds like a joke, I know, but good practitioners do exist and you can advocate for yourself. Your hormonal levels should be checked, including your thyroid hormones T3 and T4. Doctors routinely use a thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) test, which tells one nothing about how one's thyroid is functioning. Mine was always "normal" and I had an enlarged thyroid (goiter) in my throat!

Checking the book mentioned above is an excellent idea. I am disabled and experience chronic to severe pain, and I have found certain drugs lower my responsiveness. Basically, anything that turns down nerve response turns down your sexual response as well.

How is your general health? I think that has a lot to do with sexual responsiveness as well.

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