The Perfect Vagina

Sun, 01/31/2010 - 15:52
Submitted by Betty Dodson

This documentary is a must watch for any woman considering labiaplasty:

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The cutting off of inner labia by so many young women today is unnecessary surgery that I find objectionable. The inner labia plump up with blood during sexual arousal and is part of every woman's orgasmic response pattern.

What concerns me most is that these girls know nothing about the range of vulva styles. Many believe their genitals are "not normal" or that the surgery will somehow help them to have better sex. Or she is doing this to please her boyfriend who has grown up with images of women in porn.

However, a friend of mine who is a PhD educator had labiaplasty. She was in her late forties and was well aware of genital styles. As an informed consumer, I consider the trimming of her inner lips as body modification. She was fully aware that this elective surgery came with risks and was prepared for the healing process that took several months.

I believe surgeons have a moral duty to inform these young women that more than half of all women have extended inner lips. We are the norm. The "Clam shell" look is what porn stars get due to the erroneous belief that's what most men prefer. Not true. It is simply a fad that's been adopted by the Adult Industry. Once we stop hating and fearing human sexuality, all forms of genital surgeries including circumcision will become obsolete.

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...the trimming...

Sun, 01/31/2010 - 17:16
marki (not verified)

I watched the video up to the point where the first girl was on the table...then I couldnt watch any more. What are these women thinking? I have always considered a womans vagina sort of like their entire look.....they are all different, different looks, different types and ....just.... different. I dont understand what they think they are accomplishing by changing something that so very few are going to see. I realize that they are trying to have a 'normal' looking vagina....but that is the part I always found interesting....that they all look different and THAT was what made them special.

It is a mystery to me that ANY woman would allow the opinion of any other woman or ANY man to make them alter the part of their body that so intrigues us.

At my age...I have seen quite a few and I was smitten by all of them. The difference in size,texture,color,aroma and sensitivity was always the first thing I noticed about womens vaginas and it is a shame that many of them seem to think that theirs are ugly....when they are all unique and beautiful in and of themselves.

Ladies.....please stop this madness. The only thing wrong with your vaginas is that you dont love them enough and spend far too much time wishing it looked like something or someone elses instead of the very special and georgeous flower that it is.

Love them.....touch them.....make peace with them......but please stop mutillating them......all of them are more than perfect.

Oh yes.

Kikissyface's picture
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 00:51

I"ve seen this on the BBC I think last month...maybe 2 months ago.

I was actually convinced for a while I needed to get something done myself... not a labiaplasty per se but SOMETHING. Just some sort of...I dont even know now, thats how dumb it was. Ugh.

Ki.

I can understand why the

Mon, 02/01/2010 - 03:18

I can understand why the girl depicted at 27 minutes into the clip had her vulva done.

Wear your lips with pride!

Joelface's picture
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 07:35

I actually quite like the way Marki said that. I absolutely have to agree.

Not much depresses me more than to find out a woman has cut off a beautiful part of her body, undergone the risk and pain and cost of it, as well as just the fact that she is now without that part.

How sad that people are pushed to that point.. where that seems like a good idea.

Because really, I feel like I can say that empirically, that is a terrible idea.

But, I suppose in this culture, it really FEEDS off of insecurity. ANY insecurity, and someone is reinforcing it, trying to make a profit off of you.

It truly saddens me. Just as Marki says, labia are BEAUTIFUL. Their differences give them personality! It makes them YOURS. If we all had the same body, no one would care about bodies at all! It is their uniqueness that makes them the art that they are.

Wear your lips with pride, ladies. :)

no more cutting parts off your genitals!

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24 - M - Critical Relativist and Feminist (Equalist) - Canada

As if shaving wasn't bad

Mon, 02/01/2010 - 12:13
Anonymous (not verified)

As if shaving wasn't bad enough and now this.

The Perfect Vulva

Betty Dodson's picture
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 14:42

The second part of this video shows the after affects of her surgery. She is bleeding profusely and obviously suffering pain and discomfort. The inner labia are part of a woman's sexual arousal with erectile tissue. They have a lot of nerve endings and puff up when we are turned on. This so-called cosmetic surgery is really a form of genital mutilation.

We complain about FGM in other countries and yet we allow this to take place in America and the UK. One last thing: As long as we misname our sex organ a "vagina" which is the birth canal and leaves out the clitoris our organ of pleasure, both women and men will continue to believe that a penis going inside a vagina is REAL sex. Did you catch the reference to the G-spot? Did you hear anyone say "clitoris?" As a result of this misnaming, women will remain sexual victims. It's up to us to stop this madness. As long as doctors can profit and women are kept ignorant, FGM American style will continue.

I just masturbated and had

Mon, 02/01/2010 - 15:30

I just masturbated and had two orgasms by holding my hitachi over my dangling inner lips. Lately, I have 1-2 orgasms by holding my hitachi right above my clit on the pelvic mound and then head right for my labia. They're so sensitive - and they get erect when I stimulate them. Imagine if I had them cut off...how it would affect my orgasms.

"I see my body as an instrument, rather than an ornament." - Alanis Morissette

omg

Mon, 02/01/2010 - 18:34
Anonymous (not verified)

This is INSANE.

Ah, This is Why I Love Carlin

Joelface's picture
Mon, 02/01/2010 - 21:16

Not many people could make such a good point in a thread like this by just talking about masturbating.

Also, by making your point that way, you're sure to get guys on your side as well. :p

I hope that as everyone speaks out on this issue in different ways, it will help to bring confidence and security to the minds of women who may worry about their own labia, or who may have been teased in the past. I hope that we can get through to these women, and help reduce the frequency with which this depressing practice occurs.

But, as well, I hope that it gets through to men who may have said things to women or even to their friends, or to women who have joked or teased other women for it.. I hope it will just get through to all types in our culture.. and show them that we do not want to be a part of a culture that shames people into submitting themselves to expensive, painful and desensitizing genital cutting practices.

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24 - M - Critical Relativist and Feminist (Equalist) - Canada

Video-Perfect Vagina

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:06
Markus (not verified)

As an american , and an African american I find this extremely peculiar. I've never heard my boys talk about what they liked in a woman's vagina. The only thing we talked about was trying to get some P***y and that was it. How it looked, size, shape, color, was absolutely irrelevant. If anything , the only genital I heard talked about was the size of a man's penis. Girls and guys would talk about the size of men but nothing of women. This must truly be a cultural thing in Europe or Britain.

This has been happening to

Mon, 02/22/2010 - 16:13
Sensible (not verified)

This has been happening to men for years, and I haven't heard many people saying anything about it. It is called male circumcision, and how many times has a mother made the decision to circumsice their son without the male's consent? At least these women in America are making the choice themselves...how would a woman like it if her father made the choice to have parts of their sexual organs removed shortly after birth? This is what happens on a countless, daily basis for males in this country. Stop the madness and the bitching ladies!

Stop the Madness

Tue, 03/09/2010 - 23:06

To Carlin, Betty, and me, it is blatantly obvious that what was cut off was highly, highly sexual. Rich in blood and nerves, soft and movable. Why can't the young women see that? And a surgeon should revere those bits, not slice them up!!!!

Porn has a great deal to answer for. Though I will say that most vulvas I've seen in porn have had some cascading flesh.

I am a male intactivist. I am a guerilla warrior for foreskin. I am aghast, aghast, and aghast, that the same warped mental state has established a bridgehead amongst women, namely deep shame of the most sexual tissue we are privileged to have and enjoy. Hatred of the foreskin, and hatred of the labia minora, come from the same black hole in the human soul.

When I gently finger my wife's labia minora, she loves it and I feel deeply and powerfully sexual. When she gently plays with my foreskin, we both feel very hot, and I am proud of the gift I brought to our marriage, by virtue of it being rare among men American men of my generation. Can't the rest of you out there see the sexual power and glory of the tender movable bits on the ends of our genitalia? And that sharing those bits with another human being is intimate to the limit??

If he loves u, he loves ur labia

Thu, 04/08/2010 - 05:23
Emma (not verified)

every man's penis is differant. differant size, shape, colour. it is exactly the same for women's labias. women are willing to accept men for their penis and it is exactly the same for men. it would be boring if every penis was the same, this is the same for labias, women are judged by their boyfriends and husbands by their personality, not by and extra 2 inches on their labias. and if the men dont love them enough to accept that every genitalia is unique, and thats what makes it special, then the woman can turn around and say "fuck you, your dick's too small and your foreskin's too big and im going to find a man that loves me enough to love my labia!"
xxx

Um no...

Kikissyface's picture
Mon, 06/21/2010 - 15:17

It isn't the same at all... shaving isnt mutilation and I'm not even sure it's usually done for the same reasons...

And anyways, hair grows back labia do not.

I mean I shave cause I think it feels better when masturbating.

And I mean if you've never really hated anything about yourself idk if you or anyone who hasn't can really understand why someone might do something like that or even conceptualize it.

Ki.

Self Mutilation

Sat, 07/24/2010 - 12:45
Ashamed (not verified)

I did it myself. Very dangerous and painful and can hardly type this for feeling sick thinking about it. Sorry if this grosses anyone out. I could not afford to pay for it and my doctor laughed dismissively when I asked about it via insurance after I finally managed to pluck up the courage to ask about it so after being obsessed and hating the way my vulva looked for years I did some research and got some equipment and "trimmed". I would not recommend this to anyone else as I had a very scary bad time trying to stop the bleeding and was very lucky things healed without infection or loss of feeling or other dangerous complications like life threatening thrombosis or bleeding to death! Now the shame I felt before about my vagina not being pretty enough and thinking my inner lips and hood were too big through masturbating has been replaced with shame about the scars and worry about how I would explain them to a lover without being thought crazy and him running a mile. Also annoyed and a bit ashamed now that I gave in to pressure from the porn industry and did not have the strength to love my body the way it was. Will have to try to get over all that now.
I hope that people like you and like the woman who made the documentary make it acceptable and allowable or even fashionable for women to have and be proud of having voluptious bits. I will be unfashionable as I now have smaller scarred bits. I think even if it had been done by a surgeon there would be scarring and long lasting stitch marks and adhesions. So if anyone out there is thinking of doing this PLEASE DONT.
Wish you had your genital gallery back as I think sites like yours that let us see that we are "normal" could help save women from mutilating themselves by themselves or with the help of plastic surgeons and maybe even save lives. What idiot stopped you but allows porn sites to make money off creating and and feeding appetites for women who look like little girls or Barbies.

I agree...

Fri, 07/30/2010 - 03:06
G-oddess (not verified)

That's what I'm saying.

Wow - what a great

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:05
Anonymous28 (not verified)

Wow - what a great documentary - this should be a staple in any sex education course for highschool girls and boys!. I remember alot of shame when I hit puberty - I thought something was terribly wrong with me. These thoughts continued throughout my teens - my first boyfriend suggested getting that i get an operation on my labia, which confirmed my negative perception of the way I look. But as I have grown up I have learned to love the way I look, and really it is not an issue anymore. Sadly the girls in mens magazines are retouched, recouloured and "trimmed" after the photos are taken giving both men and women a very false veiw of what is real.

Excellent Video

LilithLand's picture
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 01:14

I thought this was an amazing video. However, I wonder why she didn't delve into the sexual repercussions of the surgery more. I don't know if she didn't want to be nosy or what, but I was curious about this young woman's sexual response after the surgery. Personally, I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if she never had an orgasm or masturbated prior to surgery either. I don't think for these women their own sexual pleasure has a high priority. It's more about looking sexy than feeling sexual.

I'm getting assessed for

Thu, 10/14/2010 - 17:09
uklass (not verified)

I'm getting assessed for this at the moment - mine hang out by about 5cm on each side, they're torn and cracked and I can't wear nice trousers, sit or stand for long, and I can't even practise proper hygiene as it all gets in the way!! I'm dead scared though - I was diagnosed with this when I was five but I don't know what to do. It's a choice of a life of pain and disgust or a life of side effects and problems...

Quit Taking It Personally!

vii's picture
Wed, 10/27/2010 - 22:43

I disagree with the majority of the responses here.

It is true that most women have no idea if their genital shape and size is "normal" when they're young. I'm sure young men also wonder how they match up to other males until they finally see a handful of phallus's. From a very early age I remember feeling incredibly insecure about my own vulva. However, as soon as I moved out of my parent's home and was able to look at nude women on the internet, I felt relieved. I finally saw other labias. I finally knew what real women looked like, and finally I felt very proud of my kitten with her asymmetrical labia minora.

To say that "all women of porn" have a tiny, hairless pink vagina is a complete fallacy. I've seen many porn stars with "real" vaginas that are loose, puffy, hairy, wrinkled,
you name it. I think the real "problem" that is causing so much insecurity (on both sides, those getting the procedures and those harrassing those who are getting the procedures), lies within two realities- First, the photoshopped, perfectly lit sets. I am a model, and I know what goes on during a shoot. Professional hair, makeup, skin sprays and lighting all go into making a person look 10x as beautiful as they really are. I don't look half as good in person as I do in the elaborate photos they fabricate for ads. I own that reality, I love that reality, it's fun to play dress up. It's fun to "pretend," and I think most people realize when a photo has been photoshopped now days. If not, they'll learn eventually. We are a superficial society. Anyone who's worn makeup has taken part in this 'social dance.' The second issue, affecting those who are chirping about the procedure, is insecurity itself. When women hear about other women getting a "designer vagina," their defense mechanisms kick in, and they think, "Great, one more thing I have to compete with." I've never heard a truly self-loving woman diss another woman for getting a sugrical procedure that made her feel good, why? Because she's not an insecure wuss. She's not taking it "personally." What do I mean by that? Quit bringing yourself into the picture. A woman's decision to have her labia sliced and diced is her own. It may not sit well with you, for whatever reason, insecurities or otherwise, but it's none of your business.

In closing, I feel that a "youthful" or hairless, taught vagina is very attractive, so I understand the desire to obtain it. It's the same feeling I have about my ass, or my legs, or my face. I want my body to be as healthy and "pretty" as possible. That's a normal desire and I don't think I'm alone in that. In fact I know I'm not alone, and I don't believe it makes me a weak person because I give a damn. The majority of women I know want to keep their skin looking great, their asses tight, and their teeth nice and white. It's called giving a shit about your appearance. My vagina is not excluded from the list of "parts" I'd like to keep "nice." If I were incredibly insecure about my lips, I would get this procedure. No question.

I also believe that anyone who dislikes a part of their body that they are capable of altering should be able to do so without facing opposition from anyone, let alone other women who have their own insecurities about their own body parts. It's ridiculous and hypocritical. The last person I would respect is an individual who secretly harbors insecurities about their own genitalia but is all too prepared to leap onto the backs of those who are actually doing something about their insecurities. I do not believe that women who have genital reconstructive surgery are doing other women a disservice. In fact, I'm proud of them. 

Feminism is about liberating women from oppression, not harassing them for wanting to have cosmetic surgery. I'm all about loving and embracing the body you were born with, and I also believe that I am in no position to speak to anyone's decision to alter their appearance by way of plastic surgery. I would fully support any one of my girlfriends if she wanted to have this procedure done. If it would make her feel great and encourage her to use her instrument of pleasure even more and share it with more people, then I say go for it sister. Quit hating on women for wanting to make themselves happy. It's not anyone's place to say if it "should" or "should not" be done. It's a personal choice, and (for now) we're free from oppression. Quit taking it personally and start loving yourself.

Big Labia

Handyman's picture
Sun, 10/31/2010 - 17:56

When I was 19 (39 now) I dated a woman who was 29 and she had a huge labia that hung low. At the time, and my limited intelligence, I thought it was abnormal. Now that I have been married for 14 years I think that all labia's are beautiful and makes the woman who she is. This surgery is stupid.

Challenging the majority view.

tom.penry's picture
Mon, 11/01/2010 - 09:10

Your argument rings a bell with me. I really like your ideas and the their well-written expression

A woman's right to chose & not be ashamed

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 15:31
I love my parts (not verified)

I think there are many parallels we can draw with this issue.  Breast & butt augmentation, tummy tucks,  eyelid lifts, face & neck lifts, & even nose jobs & ear jobs & many more...all done in the name of beauty.
If I would let my daughter have breast augmentation...why not a pussy lift.  If she came home & said mom I am so unhappy with how my package looks. I would help her make her decision: step 1 is a session with a shrink, a sexologist to sort thru her emotions, set a minimum age for the procedure...if she is sure she is right with the decision she makes & the decision is not based solely on emotion.  We found fins a good surgeon I would pay for her to have the procedure...it is her body, I want her to love all of her...not only as a woman but as a sexual being.  I do hope she has someone looking at it in a sexual manner some day.  I want her to be confidant.
I am surprised at the negative feelings about this.  How do we qualify what is acceptable plastic surgery & what isn't?  I hope less females dislike what they have but if they do have strong negative emotions & they choose to alter their 'bits' then I applaud their right to chose.
Being woman means the have the right to make choices about our lives, body & sexuality...should we repeal those rights because we don't agree with what she decided?
I hate that anyone feels they 'need' the surgery.  But the woman who decide to have labiaplasty need the support of their community.  It sickens me that anyone girl or woman should feel any shame for having the procedure done.

gorgeous, not georgeous...

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 16:55
A_anonymous (not verified)

gorgeous, not georgeous...

Insanity

Wed, 11/17/2010 - 10:45
Dohmie (not verified)

It is just a loathsome way to haul in vast amounts of money. In some rare cases when causing discomfort etcetera i can understand why a woman would consider surgery of this time.

But like I said these occasions are rare. I am sickened by so called doctors who make dumploads of money by tapping in to young female insecurity and leading them to believe something is wrong with them.. Telling them protruding inner labia are some sort of abnormal thing which need to be corrected. The only thing that is gonna be corrected is the bank account of the so called doctor. I find this a scam without counterpart as it is loathsome and vile. Leave people alone and install values of self respect whatever you look like down there. As long as you don't have pain during intercoarse or other discomfort leave it how God meant it. And to all those girls out there, we love you how you are and mark my words, if there is any boyfriend making comments about how you look south kick him out as he aint worth you anyway. Lovemaking is communication between people that love eachother it is about acceptance and appreciation. Reducing those very human values to looks and some sort of vague ideal how your labia should look induced by mister charming I want your money so called excuse for a doctor is just plainly wrong on any level imaginable.
Hail the natural labia in any form shape or flavour! Sorry about the rant but this actually makes me mad. It is like telling guys hey your left testictle hangs lower then your right, or your penis is not straigt when in erect state shall we operate.

disagree

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 14:36

the fault of the porn industry and advertising with "perfect" women represent only a very small percentage of world population

Perfect?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:10
Anonymous Lover (not verified)

Labia are damn near sacred!  Please don't hurt them!  They are for tender caresses and gentle, oh-so-gentle kisses.  They are about sensation, not geometry.  They are for intimacy and connection with this one woman, right now - not comparison to any other moment.  Some things are just right the way they are, even as they change.  I am your lover and I know this.

ohh

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 20:49
Veera6 (not verified)

i know exactly what you mean. I've ruined a good part of my life in hatred. . and I havent yet even faced my demons. I coil in terror at sexual approach and live in deep dark sexual repression. I look at other women though and see they are beautiful.. but I myself am completely convinced i am almost beastly- however I have many approaching me. i wish you could see the art thats come from it.. but it's good to know your not alone. its even better to know that there are sensible people. this doc was alright, but the main layday .. was tooo cowardly , maybe ashamed, or it didnt quite take off the pressure and secrets ive build up for so many years.??? i've never once even considered that it is genital mutilation! check out 'my penis- and everyone else's'- that guy will put a smile on your face. I hope one day we and other victims of societal aesthetics, brainwashing and dehumanizing will wake up.. and live free of all these shackles, obsession, and pure poison for the spirit.
love and godspeed.

all beautiful

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 09:53
ade (not verified)

I am a guy and wouldn't care less.
The 21 year old is pretty and she clearly lacks self confidence. if i met her i would want her in her hearbeat.
She is just unlucky she is meeting the wrong people.
The other ladies are all ok as far as i am concerned. every single one of them is ok, they just have to get it into their heads.
The only surgery i could support is the 16year old with really huge lips but if i would get used to it.
what matters is the girl is attractive to you, and has good hygiene.
I wish as a man/guy I had the opportunity to meet theses women, I would tell them its totally fine and in I would jump at the chance to be with any of them.

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